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there's a whole fleet of them look on

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the assay

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it was basically a cube with inside of

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so this isn't anything that just is

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limited to the united states

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hello again folks and welcome back to

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episode 2

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of that ufo podcast a massive thank

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you for downloading for streaming for

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listening to this episode

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and a massive thank you to everyone who

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listened to the first episode

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i was totally amazed so many people

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chose to listen to the first episode of

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this podcast um i've got listeners from

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five different continents more than 20

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countries the feedback's been amazing

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please keep that coming it's really

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going to shape the show each week

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and i'll make some kind of changes here

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and there as well okay

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really really appreciated i want to get

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straight into the interview that we've

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got lined up with sean cahill

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for this episode that follows on from

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last week's great chat with gary

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veuerheus

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who was the radar operator on board the

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when i'm going to hear about the same

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incident that famous november 2004

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tic tac ufo incident with the princeton

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sean we're going to hear

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a little bit about the unidentified tv

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series what's coming up with that

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a little bit on luella zondo he's

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with a character like lou

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and even more about what's happened the

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last couple of weeks with the us

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government

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videos again but formally acknowledging

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that these things exist

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so after the short message from a friend

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of the show tessa mura

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of paranormal prowlers we'll be straight

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into the interview um i just want to

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mention that i'll be on paranormal

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prowlers on the 18th of may

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so please download that where i'll be

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discussing my own thoughts and feelings

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on the ufo subject which i've not quite

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done yet on this show

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because i want to get the guests

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speaking before you kind of get to know

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me a bit more

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but i'll be discussing some of my own

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ufo experience as well with tessa

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on the 18th so again please download

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please stream

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here's tessa and then when we come back

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we'll be straight into the interview by

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sean

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spooky greetings everybody my name is

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tessa marrow

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i am a paranormal investigator an author

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and i have paranormal prowlers podcast

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so be sure to venture on over check it

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out it's all things super scary

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spooky supernatural paranormal bizarre

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and unknown and unexplained

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and on that podcast you will hear

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several

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different encounters and experiences and

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investigations and hear all about

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haunted locations

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and also besides myself i have awesome

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guests that join me from time to time

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just like

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andy so please be sure to check out

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paranormal products podcast

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so coming back from that message we have

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our second

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of our guest on that ufo podcast very

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kindly donating his time to is this

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evening

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a man who almost needs again no

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introduction much like last week but

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we'll give him one anyway it's that sean

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cahill that's sean how are you doing

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i'm doing really good andy how are you i

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i am not bad i say this evening it's the

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afternoon i believe where where you are

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um so sean um i think the timing is

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for kind of starting this this podcast

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around the whole nimitz princeton

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the incident that happened on the the

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princeton with the nimitz back in 2004

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your own kind of unique story which

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interesting or impactful so if you don't

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what was your typical day supposed to

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look like and then what ultimately

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inviting me on on your podcast it's

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really a pleasure to be here

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incident i was stationed on board the

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whatsoever um and it was it was a it was

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truth that you you don't talk about it

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that there it they obviously don't exist

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and everybody's got a rumor everybody's

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got a story i mean now a lot of people

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they're not just rumors anymore because

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they're out in the open for the very

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first time and it's incredible

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who's a very good friend who's a retired

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on ballistic missile submarines during

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at hypersonic speeds and in and out of

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the water etc

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but when the sonar tech would ask the

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the chief or the chief of the boat what

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colloquialism for don't even write it in

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what what it really means is write it

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down and then line it out but no one's

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and from a lot of the the research other

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journalists and investigators have done

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deeper into this it does it does seem

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like this was an open secret in certain

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circles

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okay so again what kind of contact did

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you see with these so we know already

290
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you've got

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um david flavor commander david fravers

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had a a dog fight for lack of a better

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term uh

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with one of these things at height at

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altitude

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and witnessed it doing some incredible

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things uh you've then got gary voorhees

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who's got the spy one radar

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who's picked these things up he's had to

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clean it clean it

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knowing that there was no glitch going

302
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to be on there he knew it was going to

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come back on the screen again picks

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these things up and similar to yourself

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the conversation kind of stops there

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from an official capacity for him too

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that

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yep these things are what they are what

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did you see with your own eyes and what

310
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was the kind of chatter at the time

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so kevin had asked actually had called

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me up

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prior to my my visual sighting and kind

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of

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i don't want to say pleaded with me but

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he was adamant that i actually go out on

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the on the

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the bridge wings myself and and look in

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the sky for contacts

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um prior to that i had been having my

321
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lookouts who are stationed on the bridge

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wings

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um handling that while i attended other

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duties

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and so i grabbed but my binoculars i

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went out on the port side bridgewing and

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i was looking forward along the center

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line of the ship at about 45 degrees

329
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well i had been scanning the whole sky

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prior to it i told the watch is what i

331
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wanted

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i was out there with them and i began

333
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scanning the sky as well

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and i scanned over about 45 degrees

335
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off the off the uh above the port bell

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and i saw what looked like it was a very

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clear sky

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no clouds um

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very crisp very clear i'm very familiar

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with the constellations i'm familiar

341
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with it with the sky above me i mean

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i've been standing that watch for

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for days on end and for for years on end

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and so i saw a constellation of what was

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five to seven stars

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up in the sky very brilliant very um

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pinpoints and they all began to move

348
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in a clockwise fashion and some of them

349
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started moving towards the center they

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all started moving together

351
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and they started winking out as they did

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that and i'd never seen anything quite

353
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like that there was

354
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and there was there was nothing in the

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sky to account for that so

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i draw a conclusion based on what kevin

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was asking me to look for

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that having seen something move in a

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fashion that i've never seen anything

360
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before or since

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operate like that uh it seems to

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coincide

363
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with what was what kevin was seeing on

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the radar scopes

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so um when people ask me did you see the

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tic tac i'll never know

367
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i'll never know exactly what i saw it's

368
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just i just have my eyewitness account

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of those lights moving in the fashion

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that they did

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um and i i turned at the time to the to

372
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the lookout that was with me and uh

373
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using an expletive i said did you see

374
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that and he he said yes chief with his

375
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mouth

376
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a gape um i believe i went inside and

377
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called kevin and told him what i saw

378
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and um it was pretty incredible but the

379
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watch

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just continued throughout that night

381
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i believe it was the next morning that i

382
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finally

383
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was interested in the subject and at

384
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breakfast i saw kevin and his uh

385
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another radar operator chief petty

386
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officer

387
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that was with him and um i said what do

388
00:13:35,590 --> 00:13:34,639
you what do you have us chasing around

389
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up there what the heck

390
00:13:40,710 --> 00:13:39,040
was i looking at last night and

391
00:13:42,389 --> 00:13:40,720
kevin would just have this huge smile on

392
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his face he's got the most charming

393
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smile if you've ever

394
00:13:48,790 --> 00:13:46,800
if you've ever seen him light up and um

395
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he just kind of giggled and turned and

396
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his uh the other

397
00:13:53,269 --> 00:13:51,519
the other chief told me to go look at my

398
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f in email

399
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and um i went in the back of the chief's

400
00:14:01,269 --> 00:13:57,600
mess to our our sippernet which is the

401
00:14:03,750 --> 00:14:01,279
secret access network

402
00:14:05,670 --> 00:14:03,760
and i checked my email on there and

403
00:14:08,470 --> 00:14:05,680
there was this very long string of

404
00:14:09,110 --> 00:14:08,480
of communication between our operations

405
00:14:13,350 --> 00:14:09,120
officer

406
00:14:15,350 --> 00:14:13,360
and her running mate over on the nimitz

407
00:14:16,389 --> 00:14:15,360
about these anomalous radar contacts

408
00:14:18,310 --> 00:14:16,399
that were popping in

409
00:14:20,790 --> 00:14:18,320
at very high altitudes of upwards of

410
00:14:23,910 --> 00:14:20,800
about 80 000 feet and then

411
00:14:25,910 --> 00:14:23,920
in an instant translating down to about

412
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five feet above the water

413
00:14:29,590 --> 00:14:28,480
and they were logically trying to work

414
00:14:32,230 --> 00:14:29,600
this out whether

415
00:14:33,269 --> 00:14:32,240
it was we were seeing problems with the

416
00:14:35,990 --> 00:14:33,279
radar tracks

417
00:14:38,150 --> 00:14:36,000
alone uh technical difficulties flocks

418
00:14:42,470 --> 00:14:38,160
of birds temperature inversions

419
00:14:44,230 --> 00:14:42,480
uh different temperature and

420
00:14:45,990 --> 00:14:44,240
weather fronts in encountering each

421
00:14:47,110 --> 00:14:46,000
other they ran through everything they

422
00:14:48,470 --> 00:14:47,120
could and they couldn't figure every

423
00:14:50,069 --> 00:14:48,480
anything out and then you can see a

424
00:14:52,550 --> 00:14:50,079
little bit of communication about them

425
00:14:54,230 --> 00:14:52,560
talking about sending the sorties out

426
00:14:55,590 --> 00:14:54,240
and then finally there's the gun camera

427
00:14:57,350 --> 00:14:55,600
footage and

428
00:14:59,350 --> 00:14:57,360
i'd seen enough gun camera footage over

429
00:15:02,710 --> 00:14:59,360
the years this was 2004

430
00:15:05,829 --> 00:15:02,720
um it was it was post

431
00:15:07,269 --> 00:15:05,839
height of the of the gulf war following

432
00:15:09,590 --> 00:15:07,279
9 11 so there

433
00:15:11,030 --> 00:15:09,600
everybody who was in the military was

434
00:15:11,590 --> 00:15:11,040
very familiar with this footage i've

435
00:15:13,189 --> 00:15:11,600
never seen

436
00:15:15,269 --> 00:15:13,199
anything like what we were what i was

437
00:15:16,870 --> 00:15:15,279
looking at um

438
00:15:18,870 --> 00:15:16,880
it looked like i was watching one of

439
00:15:23,590 --> 00:15:18,880
those um

440
00:15:25,189 --> 00:15:23,600
those tesla coils in the in the glass

441
00:15:26,949 --> 00:15:25,199
and the glass spheres that they used to

442
00:15:29,269 --> 00:15:26,959
sell or that they sell where you can

443
00:15:31,829 --> 00:15:29,279
touch the outside and it'll dance around

444
00:15:33,670 --> 00:15:31,839
i thought i was witnessing one of those

445
00:15:36,710 --> 00:15:33,680
at first because what i saw

446
00:15:38,629 --> 00:15:36,720
looked like electrical discharges um

447
00:15:40,310 --> 00:15:38,639
and then they they changed the focus or

448
00:15:44,310 --> 00:15:40,320
changed them the

449
00:15:47,030 --> 00:15:44,320
um the mode of the of the flear pod

450
00:15:48,710 --> 00:15:47,040
and you're looking at something that has

451
00:15:51,269 --> 00:15:48,720
absolutely

452
00:15:52,870 --> 00:15:51,279
none of that artifact surrounding it in

453
00:15:56,389 --> 00:15:52,880
the visible light

454
00:15:58,790 --> 00:15:56,399
um so or or or rather in the infrared

455
00:15:59,829 --> 00:15:58,800
so it was just the most incredible thing

456
00:16:01,590 --> 00:15:59,839
i'd seen there

457
00:16:03,350 --> 00:16:01,600
there were no control surfaces on it

458
00:16:05,749 --> 00:16:03,360
there were obviously no there was no

459
00:16:09,189 --> 00:16:05,759
engine exhaust there was no

460
00:16:10,230 --> 00:16:09,199
proper heat plume uh there was no rotor

461
00:16:14,150 --> 00:16:10,240
there was no rotor

462
00:16:17,269 --> 00:16:14,160
wash uh nothing nothing clicked

463
00:16:19,189 --> 00:16:17,279
except weird um yeah and

464
00:16:21,269 --> 00:16:19,199
i have to ask so on that gun camera

465
00:16:22,710 --> 00:16:21,279
footage and this is something that's uh

466
00:16:24,870 --> 00:16:22,720
in the last couple of weeks and i

467
00:16:27,189 --> 00:16:24,880
suppose going back to december 2017

468
00:16:29,189 --> 00:16:27,199
when the new york times had the article

469
00:16:31,030 --> 00:16:29,199
and to the stars came to prominence

470
00:16:33,590 --> 00:16:31,040
now we keep seeing these videos over and

471
00:16:35,590 --> 00:16:33,600
over again and my major frustration

472
00:16:37,110 --> 00:16:35,600
is the the length of the videos and i

473
00:16:37,829 --> 00:16:37,120
get there's so many different reasons

474
00:16:39,350 --> 00:16:37,839
for that

475
00:16:41,430 --> 00:16:39,360
so when you're saying you're you've saw

476
00:16:43,189 --> 00:16:41,440
that footage what kind of length of

477
00:16:45,030 --> 00:16:43,199
footage did you see and do you see

478
00:16:47,110 --> 00:16:45,040
anything that's different other than

479
00:16:48,310 --> 00:16:47,120
uh i'm moving target that you can talk

480
00:16:49,990 --> 00:16:48,320
about um

481
00:16:51,670 --> 00:16:50,000
or do you see something that's a little

482
00:16:53,030 --> 00:16:51,680
bit more maybe exotic than what we've

483
00:16:55,990 --> 00:16:53,040
been released

484
00:16:57,749 --> 00:16:56,000
well um what i recall seeing i actually

485
00:17:01,430 --> 00:16:57,759
remember the file name of it um

486
00:17:05,029 --> 00:17:01,440
because i it was it was 10 november

487
00:17:07,750 --> 00:17:05,039
or no 14 november 004

488
00:17:09,189 --> 00:17:07,760
c-o-n-d now with underscores and the

489
00:17:10,870 --> 00:17:09,199
reason it was named that was because it

490
00:17:14,949 --> 00:17:10,880
was a condensed file

491
00:17:17,029 --> 00:17:14,959
um we've we've since seen a longer file

492
00:17:18,549 --> 00:17:17,039
the one that i saw on that day was one

493
00:17:21,750 --> 00:17:18,559
that was sent over

494
00:17:23,029 --> 00:17:21,760
um via the via the sippernet it was

495
00:17:25,590 --> 00:17:23,039
condensed out

496
00:17:27,669 --> 00:17:25,600
from one that was about a minute to a

497
00:17:31,270 --> 00:17:27,679
minute and 13 seconds long

498
00:17:33,430 --> 00:17:31,280
that i saw later i never saw

499
00:17:34,870 --> 00:17:33,440
anything that i would consider high

500
00:17:38,230 --> 00:17:34,880
definition

501
00:17:39,590 --> 00:17:38,240
um i the i'm not i'm not making any

502
00:17:41,430 --> 00:17:39,600
claims as to what anyone else has said

503
00:17:43,510 --> 00:17:41,440
but i personally only saw one that was

504
00:17:46,150 --> 00:17:43,520
roughly a minute long and then i i first

505
00:17:48,070 --> 00:17:46,160
saw the condensed version so and what

506
00:17:51,510 --> 00:17:48,080
the condensed version was was

507
00:17:54,710 --> 00:17:51,520
they had taken each phase change

508
00:17:58,230 --> 00:17:54,720
or or each change of operation

509
00:18:00,470 --> 00:17:58,240
that the the aircraft had gone through

510
00:18:02,710 --> 00:18:00,480
and clipped those out and put them into

511
00:18:03,669 --> 00:18:02,720
one smaller video that that they could

512
00:18:06,070 --> 00:18:03,679
get over to us

513
00:18:08,310 --> 00:18:06,080
over excuse me our limited bandwidth

514
00:18:09,750 --> 00:18:08,320
during that time because we were at sea

515
00:18:12,830 --> 00:18:09,760
and a lot of people don't understand

516
00:18:13,990 --> 00:18:12,840
that you wait 45 minutes to download 125

517
00:18:17,510 --> 00:18:14,000
kilobytes

518
00:18:20,070 --> 00:18:17,520
uh you know word file sometimes

519
00:18:20,950 --> 00:18:20,080
um based on the bandwidth that you have

520
00:18:23,590 --> 00:18:20,960
out at sea

521
00:18:24,470 --> 00:18:23,600
so later on i i did see one that was

522
00:18:26,150 --> 00:18:24,480
longer

523
00:18:27,590 --> 00:18:26,160
but i never saw one that was high

524
00:18:29,510 --> 00:18:27,600
definition

525
00:18:30,789 --> 00:18:29,520
okay and i think that's not to take away

526
00:18:32,230 --> 00:18:30,799
from how impressive that

527
00:18:34,070 --> 00:18:32,240
if any of the footage that's been

528
00:18:36,070 --> 00:18:34,080
released is and i think

529
00:18:37,590 --> 00:18:36,080
more so when as we'll come to discuss

530
00:18:39,350 --> 00:18:37,600
the background and

531
00:18:40,950 --> 00:18:39,360
the the types of bodies are now

532
00:18:43,430 --> 00:18:40,960
authenticating the footage

533
00:18:45,029 --> 00:18:43,440
but it's just does that desire to just

534
00:18:47,590 --> 00:18:45,039
to see that a little bit more

535
00:18:49,590 --> 00:18:47,600
my frustration with any piece of footage

536
00:18:53,110 --> 00:18:49,600
of a uap a ufo

537
00:18:54,470 --> 00:18:53,120
lights in the sky usos is i appreciate

538
00:18:56,070 --> 00:18:54,480
you're never really going to see the

539
00:18:57,510 --> 00:18:56,080
footage of something arriving because

540
00:18:58,150 --> 00:18:57,520
the whole idea is someone has seen

541
00:19:01,350 --> 00:18:58,160
something and

542
00:19:02,390 --> 00:19:01,360
brings out a camera but i i always want

543
00:19:03,990 --> 00:19:02,400
to see it leave

544
00:19:06,390 --> 00:19:04,000
because for me that's where there might

545
00:19:08,470 --> 00:19:06,400
be some real wow you know that this

546
00:19:11,590 --> 00:19:08,480
thing's gone off at incredible speed or

547
00:19:12,310 --> 00:19:11,600
i think that's where some bits on

548
00:19:14,390 --> 00:19:12,320
youtube

549
00:19:15,350 --> 00:19:14,400
show themselves up to be fake more than

550
00:19:17,110 --> 00:19:15,360
likely because

551
00:19:18,630 --> 00:19:17,120
you cannot it's hard to replicate that

552
00:19:20,789 --> 00:19:18,640
and there's there's just something

553
00:19:22,630 --> 00:19:20,799
to as you say when you saw those lights

554
00:19:24,710 --> 00:19:22,640
in the sky that night or that day

555
00:19:26,390 --> 00:19:24,720
that there's something to it that you

556
00:19:27,110 --> 00:19:26,400
you can just tell it's real there's like

557
00:19:28,630 --> 00:19:27,120
a feeling

558
00:19:30,470 --> 00:19:28,640
and i think that's what you you're just

559
00:19:32,870 --> 00:19:30,480
wanting to see that last piece

560
00:19:34,390 --> 00:19:32,880
yeah what i saw on the on the gun camera

561
00:19:38,230 --> 00:19:34,400
footage was exotic and

562
00:19:39,750 --> 00:19:38,240
to me and it fit no no paradigm i

563
00:19:40,710 --> 00:19:39,760
understood about anything that should be

564
00:19:42,549 --> 00:19:40,720
flying

565
00:19:44,070 --> 00:19:42,559
i trust the pilots that they that they

566
00:19:46,870 --> 00:19:44,080
understand

567
00:19:47,590 --> 00:19:46,880
uh the things in the 3d space that

568
00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:47,600
they're

569
00:19:54,470 --> 00:19:51,200
it's just

570
00:19:57,669 --> 00:19:54,480
it's really incredible that the the

571
00:19:59,190 --> 00:19:57,679
uh situational awareness that they have

572
00:20:01,110 --> 00:19:59,200
you know the level of adrenaline and

573
00:20:03,510 --> 00:20:01,120
everything else and their level of focus

574
00:20:05,350 --> 00:20:03,520
is almost zen-like it has to be

575
00:20:07,750 --> 00:20:05,360
because at any given time if any of

576
00:20:10,070 --> 00:20:07,760
those pieces of the equation aren't

577
00:20:11,029 --> 00:20:10,080
aren't being looked at the whole thing

578
00:20:14,230 --> 00:20:11,039
falls apart

579
00:20:16,230 --> 00:20:14,240
and and this this near supersonic

580
00:20:19,669 --> 00:20:16,240
aircraft is is in the sea

581
00:20:20,310 --> 00:20:19,679
you know um and i think before we

582
00:20:22,149 --> 00:20:20,320
started

583
00:20:23,590 --> 00:20:22,159
the recording this is something that we

584
00:20:25,750 --> 00:20:23,600
talked about about the public and

585
00:20:26,950 --> 00:20:25,760
particularly why here in the uk there

586
00:20:29,669 --> 00:20:26,960
isn't an appetite

587
00:20:30,950 --> 00:20:29,679
for this footage or this news or or the

588
00:20:32,950 --> 00:20:30,960
subject in general

589
00:20:34,470 --> 00:20:32,960
they're still like i'm very much a niche

590
00:20:36,950 --> 00:20:34,480
subject here in the uk

591
00:20:37,830 --> 00:20:36,960
and when you talk about that kind of

592
00:20:39,990 --> 00:20:37,840
footage

593
00:20:41,029 --> 00:20:40,000
it's incredible enough on its own but

594
00:20:43,350 --> 00:20:41,039
the people

595
00:20:45,029 --> 00:20:43,360
like david flavor like yourself like

596
00:20:46,630 --> 00:20:45,039
gary verrhas like kevin day

597
00:20:48,390 --> 00:20:46,640
and countless others who are now coming

598
00:20:49,590 --> 00:20:48,400
out that's what you really have to look

599
00:20:50,950 --> 00:20:49,600
at and say these are some of the most

600
00:20:53,350 --> 00:20:50,960
highly skilled people on the

601
00:20:54,230 --> 00:20:53,360
planet at what they do and if someone's

602
00:20:56,710 --> 00:20:54,240
telling you that

603
00:20:57,990 --> 00:20:56,720
alongside their however many tens of

604
00:20:59,669 --> 00:20:58,000
thousands of dollars or millions of

605
00:21:01,110 --> 00:20:59,679
dollars fighter jet was a cube with a

606
00:21:03,110 --> 00:21:01,120
sphere inside of it

607
00:21:04,789 --> 00:21:03,120
then these people saw that that's that's

608
00:21:06,070 --> 00:21:04,799
not you know a mistake and

609
00:21:07,190 --> 00:21:06,080
it's something i won't really touch on

610
00:21:09,110 --> 00:21:07,200
because i think he's getting a lot of

611
00:21:11,190 --> 00:21:09,120
pressure now but someone like mick west

612
00:21:12,470 --> 00:21:11,200
who is constantly trying to pass these

613
00:21:15,350 --> 00:21:12,480
things off as

614
00:21:16,950 --> 00:21:15,360
seagulls or reflections or someone

615
00:21:18,390 --> 00:21:16,960
misidentifying something that

616
00:21:21,110 --> 00:21:18,400
these are the most highly skilled of the

617
00:21:23,590 --> 00:21:21,120
highly skilled you know

618
00:21:25,669 --> 00:21:23,600
it's it's a very interesting cognitive

619
00:21:26,630 --> 00:21:25,679
dissonance that seems to be a part of

620
00:21:30,149 --> 00:21:26,640
this

621
00:21:32,310 --> 00:21:30,159
almost as if everyone's subconscious

622
00:21:33,430 --> 00:21:32,320
either knows better that they don't want

623
00:21:35,350 --> 00:21:33,440
to deal with this at all and they're

624
00:21:37,750 --> 00:21:35,360
willing to push it away at any chance or

625
00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:37,760
they embrace it

626
00:21:41,430 --> 00:21:40,320
it's hard to find a lot of people who

627
00:21:44,390 --> 00:21:41,440
maintain

628
00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:44,400
an absolute objectivity in this i find

629
00:21:48,470 --> 00:21:46,400
myself having a hard time myself because

630
00:21:49,750 --> 00:21:48,480
the more evidence i see

631
00:21:53,510 --> 00:21:49,760
the more i'm convinced there's

632
00:21:55,510 --> 00:21:53,520
absolutely something strange afoot

633
00:21:57,190 --> 00:21:55,520
i try really hard not to speculate at

634
00:21:58,230 --> 00:21:57,200
all about the origin of it i'm willing

635
00:22:00,070 --> 00:21:58,240
to if that's you know

636
00:22:01,990 --> 00:22:00,080
what we're discussing at the time but

637
00:22:03,830 --> 00:22:02,000
when i'm when i'm forming in my world

638
00:22:05,190 --> 00:22:03,840
view it's not a piece that has to go

639
00:22:08,470 --> 00:22:05,200
into it yet

640
00:22:11,190 --> 00:22:08,480
um because i realize that it's just how

641
00:22:12,950 --> 00:22:11,200
hard it is right now to even have the

642
00:22:16,149 --> 00:22:12,960
conversation

643
00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:16,159
that this is exotic that this is

644
00:22:20,870 --> 00:22:18,480
beyond what we're used to and folks like

645
00:22:22,710 --> 00:22:20,880
mick who who i personally used to

646
00:22:24,630 --> 00:22:22,720
since we brought him up used to hold in

647
00:22:27,909 --> 00:22:24,640
great esteem for his

648
00:22:30,549 --> 00:22:27,919
um what seemed to me logical nature

649
00:22:32,549 --> 00:22:30,559
um and i won't i won't say skeptical

650
00:22:33,669 --> 00:22:32,559
because these days for me skeptical kind

651
00:22:36,870 --> 00:22:33,679
of carries a negative

652
00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:36,880
uh connotation to it um it seems like we

653
00:22:39,510 --> 00:22:38,640
have a lot of professional skeptics who

654
00:22:42,710 --> 00:22:39,520
are really just

655
00:22:46,070 --> 00:22:42,720
contrarians in disguise

656
00:22:46,549 --> 00:22:46,080
unfortunately it's hard to tell right

657
00:22:50,310 --> 00:22:46,559
now

658
00:22:53,430 --> 00:22:50,320
who is being contrarian to make a buck

659
00:22:56,549 --> 00:22:53,440
who truly believes that

660
00:22:58,789 --> 00:22:56,559
all of these subject matter experts

661
00:23:00,310 --> 00:22:58,799
highly trained individuals and and

662
00:23:04,230 --> 00:23:00,320
trained observers

663
00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:04,240
um that that they're all

664
00:23:10,230 --> 00:23:07,679
they're all mistaken um

665
00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:10,240
i i don't believe so you know i've got

666
00:23:13,990 --> 00:23:12,080
my own anecdotal evidence i've got my

667
00:23:15,750 --> 00:23:14,000
own validation about certain things and

668
00:23:16,390 --> 00:23:15,760
obviously i've had conversations with

669
00:23:18,710 --> 00:23:16,400
folks that

670
00:23:20,470 --> 00:23:18,720
that not everyone is privy to at this

671
00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:20,480
point

672
00:23:28,310 --> 00:23:24,000
but the idea that we would perseverate

673
00:23:31,350 --> 00:23:28,320
on on these

674
00:23:33,350 --> 00:23:31,360
frankly opinions but i'll i'll grant

675
00:23:34,950 --> 00:23:33,360
them the name of hypothesis

676
00:23:36,870 --> 00:23:34,960
but if we're going to perseverate on

677
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:36,880
these different hypotheses

678
00:23:40,549 --> 00:23:38,640
that's not research if that's your

679
00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:40,559
hypothesis write it down set your

680
00:23:43,590 --> 00:23:42,080
argument aside but how about you come

681
00:23:44,950 --> 00:23:43,600
over here and with the rest of us and

682
00:23:48,149 --> 00:23:44,960
let's try to figure out what it

683
00:23:50,230 --> 00:23:48,159
actually is because the proof for all of

684
00:23:53,990 --> 00:23:50,240
the things that mick represents don't

685
00:23:55,430 --> 00:23:54,000
don't pass muster either you know

686
00:23:57,430 --> 00:23:55,440
yeah and i don't know if you're familiar

687
00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:57,440
with jason gleaves if you've heard the

688
00:24:00,710 --> 00:23:58,080
name

689
00:24:02,870 --> 00:24:00,720
no he's based in the uk and he's someone

690
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:02,880
who only in the last couple of years has

691
00:24:06,549 --> 00:24:04,880
he's released a couple of books and the

692
00:24:07,990 --> 00:24:06,559
reason i'm really i like jason gleaves

693
00:24:10,870 --> 00:24:08,000
approach is he used to do

694
00:24:11,590 --> 00:24:10,880
analysis and photography and his first

695
00:24:14,230 --> 00:24:11,600
book is

696
00:24:15,029 --> 00:24:14,240
released on ufo basically unidentified

697
00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:15,039
craft

698
00:24:19,110 --> 00:24:16,960
and he basically goes through famous

699
00:24:21,269 --> 00:24:19,120
pictures and not so famous pictures

700
00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:21,279
and breaks down why they are

701
00:24:26,230 --> 00:24:23,200
unidentified or why they are

702
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:26,240
a flock of geese why they are a flight

703
00:24:29,510 --> 00:24:28,400
and it's so objective there's not one

704
00:24:31,029 --> 00:24:29,520
show mention of

705
00:24:33,029 --> 00:24:31,039
this could be aliens or this could be

706
00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:33,039
this it literally leaves every piece at

707
00:24:37,350 --> 00:24:35,120
it's unidentified which is amazing

708
00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:37,360
enough in itself and it tells you why

709
00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:39,760
uh uh or he breaks it down to this is

710
00:24:42,310 --> 00:24:41,360
more than likely this this is more than

711
00:24:44,710 --> 00:24:42,320
likely this

712
00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:44,720
and that's what i like because whether

713
00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:46,400
these things are and

714
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:47,600
you know if you really want to go out

715
00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:49,919
there but it's a reticule in aliens from

716
00:24:53,269 --> 00:24:51,120
some far away

717
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:53,279
galaxy our solar system whether these

718
00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:54,960
things are from this planet and are

719
00:24:57,430 --> 00:24:56,880
hidden like you know can a black panther

720
00:24:58,789 --> 00:24:57,440
that's

721
00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:58,799
tom delong's touched on ultra

722
00:25:01,750 --> 00:25:00,720
terrestrials in the concept not not that

723
00:25:02,950 --> 00:25:01,760
recently and i'll ask you about that

724
00:25:05,990 --> 00:25:02,960
later on to be honest

725
00:25:06,870 --> 00:25:06,000
which is which is interesting um there's

726
00:25:08,710 --> 00:25:06,880
a lot to this

727
00:25:09,909 --> 00:25:08,720
and even breaking it down to whether

728
00:25:13,269 --> 00:25:09,919
this is us

729
00:25:15,990 --> 00:25:13,279
russian chinese you know scottish

730
00:25:16,710 --> 00:25:16,000
some government has this technology that

731
00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:16,720
has now

732
00:25:19,990 --> 00:25:18,640
as loyal as louisa lazondo and chris

733
00:25:21,029 --> 00:25:20,000
merlin have just came out and said on

734
00:25:23,110 --> 00:25:21,039
glenn beck you know

735
00:25:25,110 --> 00:25:23,120
it's not generational leaps this is

736
00:25:27,750 --> 00:25:25,120
leaps beyond leaps beyond leaps

737
00:25:29,430 --> 00:25:27,760
it's fascinating regardless what it is

738
00:25:30,950 --> 00:25:29,440
but as you say there's then the other

739
00:25:32,710 --> 00:25:30,960
side of things where it needs to be

740
00:25:33,669 --> 00:25:32,720
something it needs to be an absolute and

741
00:25:35,190 --> 00:25:33,679
watching summer

742
00:25:37,269 --> 00:25:35,200
some of your recent interviews i think

743
00:25:39,909 --> 00:25:37,279
you've said yourself the phenomena

744
00:25:40,390 --> 00:25:39,919
isn't necessarily one thing and that's

745
00:25:42,230 --> 00:25:40,400
something

746
00:25:44,149 --> 00:25:42,240
over the last couple of years i've kind

747
00:25:45,830 --> 00:25:44,159
of came to to basically decide on that

748
00:25:47,909 --> 00:25:45,840
you know what this isn't just

749
00:25:49,110 --> 00:25:47,919
a race coming from a planet potentially

750
00:25:51,269 --> 00:25:49,120
to this to this

751
00:25:52,470 --> 00:25:51,279
planet and visiting us for a reason

752
00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:52,480
there's a lot to this

753
00:25:55,990 --> 00:25:55,200
there's as tom delong who i put a lot of

754
00:25:57,269 --> 00:25:56,000
eggs in his basket

755
00:25:59,430 --> 00:25:57,279
to be honest that some of the things he

756
00:26:00,549 --> 00:25:59,440
knows and what he says as fantastic as

757
00:26:02,149 --> 00:26:00,559
some of it is

758
00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:02,159
um again he's been privately those kind

759
00:26:06,149 --> 00:26:04,080
of conversations that i would just love

760
00:26:08,870 --> 00:26:06,159
to hear like a 100th of

761
00:26:10,310 --> 00:26:08,880
uh there's something to this but there's

762
00:26:12,070 --> 00:26:10,320
a lot to this as well

763
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:12,080
and that's that's what i can addre

764
00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:14,000
feeding this in um

765
00:26:19,269 --> 00:26:16,080
can i just take you forward on that so

766
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:19,279
you you have this incident

767
00:26:23,110 --> 00:26:21,840
is it right to say that from then 13

768
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:23,120
years past before you really get

769
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:24,720
involved in the subject again

770
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:26,320
or is there anything in the meantime

771
00:26:29,990 --> 00:26:28,159
that that keeps you in that look but

772
00:26:33,350 --> 00:26:30,000
maybe quietly

773
00:26:35,269 --> 00:26:33,360
up until that point i had been um

774
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:35,279
i think what we would all classify as

775
00:26:41,909 --> 00:26:38,880
kind of a casual believer um

776
00:26:43,750 --> 00:26:41,919
i thought that it was in in general the

777
00:26:45,510 --> 00:26:43,760
the subject that there's something more

778
00:26:47,029 --> 00:26:45,520
to this existence

779
00:26:49,510 --> 00:26:47,039
and that there was something more to

780
00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:49,520
what people were seeing

781
00:26:53,990 --> 00:26:52,960
when they described ufos and other

782
00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:54,000
certain

783
00:26:57,990 --> 00:26:57,360
paranormal phenomena my my opinion was

784
00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:58,000
that it was

785
00:27:03,029 --> 00:27:00,720
it was entertaining it was probably real

786
00:27:05,029 --> 00:27:03,039
i'd seen some neat stuff in my life

787
00:27:07,029 --> 00:27:05,039
you know some pretty pretty weird stuff

788
00:27:09,909 --> 00:27:07,039
on a few occasions

789
00:27:12,070 --> 00:27:09,919
but i was a rational person who was able

790
00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:12,080
to always find a rational argument to

791
00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:13,520
explain it away

792
00:27:16,950 --> 00:27:14,960
you know still was interested in telling

793
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:16,960
the stories here and there but in 2000

794
00:27:20,389 --> 00:27:18,960
after the tic tac you know we're just

795
00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:20,399
referring to it casually

796
00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:23,520
that way um i became a complete

797
00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:24,720
disbeliever

798
00:27:29,029 --> 00:27:26,799
um i actually went from being someone

799
00:27:31,830 --> 00:27:29,039
who though i turned my back on

800
00:27:32,310 --> 00:27:31,840
the the catholic faith that my family

801
00:27:35,110 --> 00:27:32,320
had

802
00:27:37,110 --> 00:27:35,120
pretty early on in my teen years i was

803
00:27:38,630 --> 00:27:37,120
still a very spiritual person

804
00:27:40,470 --> 00:27:38,640
and i know that's that a lot of people

805
00:27:42,470 --> 00:27:40,480
kind of get turned off when folks

806
00:27:43,750 --> 00:27:42,480
when folks make those distinctions but i

807
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:43,760
but to me spirit

808
00:27:47,110 --> 00:27:45,760
has a lot of meaning in in the idea the

809
00:27:48,149 --> 00:27:47,120
meaning of the word you know spirit

810
00:27:51,669 --> 00:27:48,159
breath

811
00:27:53,190 --> 00:27:51,679
you know etc um

812
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:53,200
that i believe that there's something

813
00:27:58,389 --> 00:27:54,720
more to us than just

814
00:28:02,149 --> 00:27:58,399
flesh and blood and and and that we were

815
00:28:03,110 --> 00:28:02,159
meet machines um yeah so so after that

816
00:28:04,870 --> 00:28:03,120
though

817
00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:04,880
the way that the chain of command on

818
00:28:08,789 --> 00:28:06,240
board the ship

819
00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:08,799
um the way that the the captain reacted

820
00:28:11,909 --> 00:28:10,320
to it the way that we briefed it at the

821
00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:11,919
intelligence briefing

822
00:28:18,549 --> 00:28:15,120
the way that some of my uh my colleagues

823
00:28:21,029 --> 00:28:18,559
treated the subject later on it

824
00:28:22,870 --> 00:28:21,039
at it led me to believe that this was a

825
00:28:24,870 --> 00:28:22,880
problem that was already taken care of

826
00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:24,880
there was no sense of urgency

827
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:27,760
so so that feeling coming to me made me

828
00:28:30,870 --> 00:28:28,799
believe at first

829
00:28:32,710 --> 00:28:30,880
that this was probably a black program

830
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:32,720
or something like that

831
00:28:37,029 --> 00:28:35,279
we had a very senior captain the the

832
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:37,039
weapons platform that we were on is an

833
00:28:41,990 --> 00:28:39,600
aegis missile cruiser that carries uh

834
00:28:42,789 --> 00:28:42,000
tomahawk land attack missiles etc and we

835
00:28:45,190 --> 00:28:42,799
had a full

836
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:45,200
bird captain and a senior one at that

837
00:28:49,350 --> 00:28:45,840
who'd been

838
00:28:52,470 --> 00:28:49,360
been around the block um and so

839
00:28:54,549 --> 00:28:52,480
there his reaction and the way it

840
00:28:55,350 --> 00:28:54,559
trickled down to me who i thought at the

841
00:28:57,430 --> 00:28:55,360
time that i

842
00:28:58,870 --> 00:28:57,440
i pretty much saw most things going on

843
00:29:01,990 --> 00:28:58,880
on board the ship

844
00:29:03,190 --> 00:29:02,000
um but obviously not at this level they

845
00:29:05,669 --> 00:29:03,200
just blew it off

846
00:29:06,389 --> 00:29:05,679
uh they made light of it at the briefing

847
00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:06,399
and

848
00:30:08,310 --> 00:29:10,960
i

849
00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:08,320
my

850
00:30:14,870 --> 00:30:13,679
um that i wouldn't let go to that i

851
00:30:19,350 --> 00:30:14,880
refused to look at the

852
00:30:23,830 --> 00:30:21,590
up until shortly before i didn't really

853
00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:23,840
start considering um

854
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:25,760
for lack of a better word the paranormal

855
00:30:30,630 --> 00:30:27,120
to include uh

856
00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:30,640
uaps again until

857
00:30:35,510 --> 00:30:33,760
lou came along um and i actually we got

858
00:30:35,990 --> 00:30:35,520
the mics off and i literally kind of

859
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:36,000
pulled him

860
00:30:40,389 --> 00:30:38,480
aside and kind of was like is this crap

861
00:30:42,230 --> 00:30:40,399
for real like

862
00:30:44,070 --> 00:30:42,240
you know like i needed to look him in

863
00:30:45,909 --> 00:30:44,080
the eye and ask him

864
00:30:47,350 --> 00:30:45,919
that question and i it was pretty

865
00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:47,360
apparent to me and it has been since

866
00:30:51,909 --> 00:30:48,880
since we've become good friends that

867
00:30:56,389 --> 00:30:51,919
this is obviously a very real phenomenon

868
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:57,990
i was convinced i was convinced that it

869
00:31:03,509 --> 00:31:00,080
was not i it hardened me

870
00:31:04,470 --> 00:31:03,519
um and so i i was luckily open-minded

871
00:31:06,870 --> 00:31:04,480
when i met lou

872
00:31:08,389 --> 00:31:06,880
because i had started meditating and

873
00:31:09,190 --> 00:31:08,399
teaching meditation a couple of years

874
00:31:11,110 --> 00:31:09,200
before

875
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:11,120
so i'd come a long way on my own in

876
00:31:14,789 --> 00:31:12,880
inner journey and i'd experience some

877
00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:14,799
really interesting things in that aspect

878
00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:15,840
as well

879
00:31:21,669 --> 00:31:19,120
um that then tied in later on with what

880
00:31:25,590 --> 00:31:21,679
i've learned in the last couple of years

881
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:25,600
okay so awesome uh you say that you then

882
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:27,120
lou comes into your life so

883
00:31:31,990 --> 00:31:30,399
fast forward to to unidentified

884
00:31:33,750 --> 00:31:32,000
a series that's one of those things i

885
00:31:34,789 --> 00:31:33,760
think for a lot of people a couple of

886
00:31:36,870 --> 00:31:34,799
years ago

887
00:31:38,310 --> 00:31:36,880
before 2017 you would never thought

888
00:31:39,029 --> 00:31:38,320
something like that would have been out

889
00:31:44,149 --> 00:31:39,039
on the

890
00:31:44,389 --> 00:31:44,159
got things like ancient aliens which are

891
00:31:47,350 --> 00:31:44,399
an

892
00:31:48,070 --> 00:31:47,360
entertaining watch uh it's got a far

893
00:31:51,190 --> 00:31:48,080
more

894
00:31:52,789 --> 00:31:51,200
realistic and serious base to it um

895
00:31:54,310 --> 00:31:52,799
which which was fantastic i thought the

896
00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:54,320
whole presentation of the show was

897
00:31:56,950 --> 00:31:55,120
incredible

898
00:31:58,470 --> 00:31:56,960
um obviously yourself getting involved

899
00:31:59,509 --> 00:31:58,480
in it and some of the people that came

900
00:32:01,750 --> 00:31:59,519
out and spoke

901
00:32:03,430 --> 00:32:01,760
were fantastic and really lent a lot of

902
00:32:04,149 --> 00:32:03,440
credence to what was being talked about

903
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:04,159
on the show

904
00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:06,240
and louise elizondo i could listen to

905
00:32:10,710 --> 00:32:07,760
talk for days on end

906
00:32:11,509 --> 00:32:10,720
uh so yeah that's that's something you

907
00:32:13,350 --> 00:32:11,519
know your famous

908
00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:13,360
table where you convey three guests from

909
00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:14,880
all time to sit down and have a chat

910
00:32:17,350 --> 00:32:15,440
with you

911
00:32:19,269 --> 00:32:17,360
the last year louise elizondo has under

912
00:32:21,669 --> 00:32:19,279
place at my my table so

913
00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:21,679
um yeah so unidentified can you tell me

914
00:32:23,750 --> 00:32:23,200
a little bit about the experience on the

915
00:32:25,830 --> 00:32:23,760
show

916
00:32:28,070 --> 00:32:25,840
kind of how you became to get involved

917
00:32:29,430 --> 00:32:28,080
um how you felt on the show have it kind

918
00:32:32,710 --> 00:32:29,440
of developed and

919
00:32:34,710 --> 00:32:32,720
and we'll go from there well on um

920
00:32:36,389 --> 00:32:34,720
the day that the new york times article

921
00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:36,399
came out a good friend of mine

922
00:32:40,389 --> 00:32:38,320
um who's a master chief in the navy

923
00:32:41,590 --> 00:32:40,399
actually sent me a link to the article

924
00:32:44,789 --> 00:32:41,600
in a text

925
00:32:47,110 --> 00:32:44,799
i was out on my deck meditating when my

926
00:32:49,029 --> 00:32:47,120
phone went off and he said hey

927
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:49,039
the new york times is talking about that

928
00:32:53,830 --> 00:32:50,640
story you told us all about when you

929
00:32:56,230 --> 00:32:53,840
came back from your workups in the o4

930
00:32:57,669 --> 00:32:56,240
and so i clicked on it and i was blown

931
00:32:59,590 --> 00:32:57,679
away first of all it took me

932
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:59,600
it took me about 40 minutes to read the

933
00:33:02,630 --> 00:33:01,200
whole article because i kept having to

934
00:33:05,269 --> 00:33:02,640
stop and kind of look around

935
00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:05,279
and uh pace back and forth and i went

936
00:33:08,149 --> 00:33:06,880
and talked to my wife and i was i was

937
00:33:11,269 --> 00:33:08,159
very giddy

938
00:33:12,950 --> 00:33:11,279
but i was like holy crap this is they're

939
00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:12,960
they're talking about o4 they're talking

940
00:33:18,149 --> 00:33:14,960
about that thing we saw

941
00:33:21,509 --> 00:33:18,159
um and

942
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:21,519
so once i came down from that

943
00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:24,720
that amazing feeling of of

944
00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:28,080
in all of those years this has finally

945
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:28,799
come back

946
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:31,919
and this is real um and i don't have to

947
00:33:35,990 --> 00:33:33,760
wonder anymore i don't have to wonder if

948
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:36,000
my memories were right because it's

949
00:33:38,230 --> 00:33:37,440
because i really didn't believe that

950
00:33:39,990 --> 00:33:38,240
kind of thing

951
00:33:42,389 --> 00:33:40,000
and and then to find out that the

952
00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:42,399
government took it very seriously

953
00:33:45,669 --> 00:33:44,159
um and all of the things that we've

954
00:33:47,830 --> 00:33:45,679
learned since all of the things that

955
00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:47,840
we've been able to infer since

956
00:33:51,750 --> 00:33:49,760
um kind of came a lot of it came

957
00:33:53,669 --> 00:33:51,760
cascading down

958
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:53,679
so did you feel like totally vindicated

959
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:54,960
at that point that

960
00:33:59,509 --> 00:33:56,880
even through that kind of angry journey

961
00:34:02,149 --> 00:33:59,519
and kind of rejecting certain things and

962
00:34:03,669 --> 00:34:02,159
your ideologies changing that do what

963
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:03,679
yeah i was right and what i saw and it

964
00:34:07,509 --> 00:34:05,120
did happen and did that just

965
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:07,519
flick a switch for you well yeah it

966
00:34:12,310 --> 00:34:09,359
really started a process for me

967
00:34:13,990 --> 00:34:12,320
of opening my heart back up um that's

968
00:34:14,950 --> 00:34:14,000
really the only way to put it because i

969
00:34:21,909 --> 00:34:14,960
had i had

970
00:34:24,389 --> 00:34:21,919
i had closed myself off to so much um

971
00:34:26,149 --> 00:34:24,399
to so much that that carried i don't

972
00:34:27,990 --> 00:34:26,159
want to say carried emotional stigma i

973
00:34:29,430 --> 00:34:28,000
wasn't really afraid of emotion or they

974
00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:29,440
carried emotional

975
00:34:34,230 --> 00:34:31,679
pieces to it i don't want to want to say

976
00:34:36,069 --> 00:34:34,240
that i was afraid of emotionality

977
00:34:37,750 --> 00:34:36,079
but i'd cut out anything that i couldn't

978
00:34:39,190 --> 00:34:37,760
be sure of i really was trying to manage

979
00:34:41,430 --> 00:34:39,200
my expectations

980
00:34:43,510 --> 00:34:41,440
and so things like the paranormal you

981
00:34:46,790 --> 00:34:43,520
can't have expectations with it

982
00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:46,800
so i'd cut spirituality

983
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:49,599
paranormality out of my life completely

984
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:49,919
so

985
00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:52,560
it it really did uh it opened me back up

986
00:34:57,430 --> 00:34:54,240
it started a process for me

987
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:57,440
that that's um that's still ongoing but

988
00:35:02,790 --> 00:34:59,760
to become more open-minded and more open

989
00:35:05,349 --> 00:35:02,800
to other people and other ideas

990
00:35:06,310 --> 00:35:05,359
okay so on the show itself you're you're

991
00:35:09,430 --> 00:35:06,320
there with lou

992
00:35:11,430 --> 00:35:09,440
and you get more involved and um you go

993
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:11,440
and visit some kind of key locations and

994
00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:13,440
you end up out in the water and

995
00:35:17,109 --> 00:35:15,599
they're i think louis elizondo i've said

996
00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:17,119
before if he had a slogan it would be

997
00:35:19,030 --> 00:35:18,560
you know follow the data look at the

998
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:19,040
data

999
00:35:22,470 --> 00:35:21,119
and he's absolutely he's he's he just he

1000
00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:22,480
just loves that and he's trying to tell

1001
00:35:24,710 --> 00:35:23,280
you something with

1002
00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:24,720
that he can't tell you but he really

1003
00:35:27,750 --> 00:35:26,560
wants to um he's definitely saying

1004
00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:27,760
there's a lot there that you could be

1005
00:35:31,030 --> 00:35:29,280
looking at and i love that with them

1006
00:35:33,510 --> 00:35:31,040
it's just it's so annoying but

1007
00:35:36,870 --> 00:35:33,520
it's this thing um there seem to be so

1008
00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:36,880
much of this show focused around water

1009
00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:38,800
what are certain points and is that

1010
00:35:42,310 --> 00:35:40,480
something that's very elaborate that

1011
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:42,320
that you knew at the time

1012
00:35:45,430 --> 00:35:44,400
well i do know that in the case of the

1013
00:35:47,349 --> 00:35:45,440
tic tac incident

1014
00:35:48,470 --> 00:35:47,359
obviously it was specific to the the

1015
00:35:51,030 --> 00:35:48,480
locale

1016
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:51,040
but yeah in in general there there does

1017
00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:52,800
seem to be a lot of contact

1018
00:35:56,829 --> 00:35:55,440
uh that occurs in and around uh bodies

1019
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:56,839
of water

1020
00:36:01,910 --> 00:35:59,760
um there's a lot of reasons for that the

1021
00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:01,920
simplest reason when we're dealing with

1022
00:36:05,349 --> 00:36:03,839
i won't say there are that i know the

1023
00:36:07,190 --> 00:36:05,359
reasons um

1024
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:07,200
but what i mean by that is the the

1025
00:36:11,750 --> 00:36:09,119
simplest reason is that the water

1026
00:36:12,950 --> 00:36:11,760
the earth is two-thirds plus covered

1027
00:36:15,510 --> 00:36:12,960
with water

1028
00:36:16,470 --> 00:36:15,520
and the great majority of that humans

1029
00:36:18,310 --> 00:36:16,480
aren't present

1030
00:36:20,710 --> 00:36:18,320
we're just not we only sail in very

1031
00:36:23,349 --> 00:36:20,720
specific shipping lanes even our

1032
00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:23,359
military ships have no reason to go in

1033
00:36:26,069 --> 00:36:23,760
just

1034
00:36:26,950 --> 00:36:26,079
insanely large swaths of the pacific

1035
00:36:30,390 --> 00:36:26,960
ocean

1036
00:36:32,310 --> 00:36:30,400
um and and the atlantic as well and

1037
00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:32,320
other portions of the world

1038
00:36:35,829 --> 00:36:34,400
so when you couple that with the fact

1039
00:36:38,790 --> 00:36:35,839
that our aircraft

1040
00:36:40,630 --> 00:36:38,800
fly in relatively similar patterns with

1041
00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:40,640
the exception of active satellite data

1042
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:41,200
there are

1043
00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:43,200
very large portions of our planet that

1044
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:44,640
we're just we're just not there we're

1045
00:36:47,589 --> 00:36:46,079
just not watching them we're just not

1046
00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:47,599
monitoring them

1047
00:36:51,750 --> 00:36:49,760
um so it would make sense that if

1048
00:36:54,790 --> 00:36:51,760
something were moving

1049
00:36:57,270 --> 00:36:54,800
around within our atmosphere and

1050
00:36:58,550 --> 00:36:57,280
um on earth for for lack of a better

1051
00:37:01,430 --> 00:36:58,560
term

1052
00:37:03,030 --> 00:37:01,440
that fits the profile of these things

1053
00:37:03,589 --> 00:37:03,040
that they would operate within those

1054
00:37:07,510 --> 00:37:03,599
pockets

1055
00:37:09,750 --> 00:37:07,520
we're not operating

1056
00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:09,760
that doesn't take a massive leap from

1057
00:37:12,870 --> 00:37:11,440
from what i'm hoping is a very grounded

1058
00:37:15,910 --> 00:37:12,880
conversation we're having

1059
00:37:18,310 --> 00:37:15,920
despite the subject but would you put a

1060
00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:18,320
number or a percentage on the chances of

1061
00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:21,040
of these things having some kind of

1062
00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:22,800
residency or base

1063
00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:25,440
underwater or you know if you want to

1064
00:37:29,349 --> 00:37:26,960
say underground bases

1065
00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:29,359
because god that's that sounds out there

1066
00:37:33,589 --> 00:37:30,880
but you know

1067
00:37:34,550 --> 00:37:33,599
i draw my data from all over the place

1068
00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:34,560
um

1069
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:38,160
we can't be sure as to all of the data

1070
00:37:42,230 --> 00:37:40,320
that's out there as to what's 100

1071
00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:42,240
accurate and what's not but i've also

1072
00:37:45,829 --> 00:37:43,920
had the chance to to vet

1073
00:37:47,910 --> 00:37:45,839
some of it from people who are at least

1074
00:37:51,750 --> 00:37:47,920
second or third

1075
00:37:55,109 --> 00:37:51,760
generation away from the originators but

1076
00:37:56,710 --> 00:37:55,119
the us government did a lot in the area

1077
00:37:58,550 --> 00:37:56,720
of remote viewing

1078
00:38:00,550 --> 00:37:58,560
up at the stanford research institute

1079
00:38:03,750 --> 00:38:00,560
and then

1080
00:38:05,910 --> 00:38:03,760
at wright-patterson air force base and

1081
00:38:08,310 --> 00:38:05,920
those programs some of it some of the

1082
00:38:10,310 --> 00:38:08,320
early successes in those programs have

1083
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:10,320
been declassified

1084
00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:17,109
if you if you take the data that they

1085
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:20,160
what we would all call regular normal

1086
00:38:25,510 --> 00:38:22,320
objective data that they

1087
00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:25,520
were able to identify was accurate from

1088
00:38:29,829 --> 00:38:27,040
these remote viewing programs

1089
00:38:31,910 --> 00:38:29,839
the intelligence gathering tools that

1090
00:38:35,670 --> 00:38:31,920
they use the ability to find some downed

1091
00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:35,680
aircraft to zero in on lost munitions

1092
00:38:39,910 --> 00:38:38,160
or kidnap victims and the successes that

1093
00:38:41,430 --> 00:38:39,920
they had with that

1094
00:38:42,950 --> 00:38:41,440
if we're going to take that at face

1095
00:38:45,349 --> 00:38:42,960
value we have to take some of the more

1096
00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:45,359
fantastic data at face value and some of

1097
00:38:50,550 --> 00:38:46,880
that data

1098
00:38:53,829 --> 00:38:50,560
while it was done in a unofficial

1099
00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:53,839
capacity was done by the same talented

1100
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:55,440
individuals that were having the

1101
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:59,280
official successes so when we talk about

1102
00:39:03,109 --> 00:39:00,000
a presence

1103
00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:03,119
it seems obvious to me it

1104
00:39:08,390 --> 00:39:06,320
once if it were announced suddenly

1105
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:08,400
by competent authority that there was a

1106
00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:09,359
presence here

1107
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:11,440
it wouldn't surprise me at all um our

1108
00:39:14,950 --> 00:39:13,200
history speaks of something greater than

1109
00:39:16,630 --> 00:39:14,960
us that keeps dipping in and out of our

1110
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:16,640
destiny

1111
00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:17,760
over and over again i think that's

1112
00:39:21,990 --> 00:39:20,320
something like a bob bigelow

1113
00:39:24,150 --> 00:39:22,000
could no matter what you think of him

1114
00:39:25,589 --> 00:39:24,160
and his background and someone who has

1115
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:25,599
put a lot of his own cash into the

1116
00:39:29,990 --> 00:39:26,880
subject as well

1117
00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:30,000
as a lot of that working yeah

1118
00:39:33,670 --> 00:39:31,599
as secretive as a lot of that work can

1119
00:39:35,589 --> 00:39:33,680
be he has said himself again on

1120
00:39:36,390 --> 00:39:35,599
mainstream interviews the famous clip is

1121
00:39:38,310 --> 00:39:36,400
out there of

1122
00:39:39,589 --> 00:39:38,320
where he interrupts the reporter to say

1123
00:39:41,910 --> 00:39:39,599
yes there are

1124
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:41,920
alien civilizations on this earth under

1125
00:39:44,390 --> 00:39:42,960
our nose and

1126
00:39:46,069 --> 00:39:44,400
to quote him he doesn't give a damn that

1127
00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:46,079
people think that about him and

1128
00:39:49,349 --> 00:39:48,160
so you're you're very much along those

1129
00:39:52,230 --> 00:39:49,359
lines as well that

1130
00:39:54,069 --> 00:39:52,240
it's more than possible well i i i

1131
00:39:56,069 --> 00:39:54,079
hesitate to say this based on people

1132
00:39:57,910 --> 00:39:56,079
taking quotes out of context but

1133
00:39:59,910 --> 00:39:57,920
i'm not i'm not worried about using the

1134
00:40:03,030 --> 00:39:59,920
word alien

1135
00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:03,040
because um

1136
00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:06,640
if you've never seen a chimpanzee before

1137
00:40:09,990 --> 00:40:08,960
if someone presented one to you it would

1138
00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:10,000
seem alien

1139
00:40:18,069 --> 00:40:14,160
to you when in fact it's your cousin so

1140
00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:18,079
that said it would not surprise me if if

1141
00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:19,760
a great deal of the things that we're

1142
00:40:25,910 --> 00:40:21,920
interacting with are

1143
00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:25,920
of of a kindred genome

1144
00:40:30,069 --> 00:40:28,000
uh it just makes it always makes sense

1145
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:30,079
to me that we start here

1146
00:40:36,630 --> 00:40:33,280
with what we're interacting with um but

1147
00:40:38,150 --> 00:40:36,640
again looking out into a vast universe

1148
00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:38,160
it's completely within the realm of

1149
00:40:41,109 --> 00:40:39,680
possibility that being at the bottom of

1150
00:40:42,390 --> 00:40:41,119
this gravity well that what we are

1151
00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:42,400
encountering is something with an

1152
00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:44,480
advanced technology from

1153
00:40:49,270 --> 00:40:47,520
another locale in this universe and at

1154
00:40:52,150 --> 00:40:49,280
the same time we do have to entertain

1155
00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:52,160
things like uh tom delong's idea of

1156
00:40:56,230 --> 00:40:53,760
ultra terrestrials

1157
00:40:59,430 --> 00:40:56,240
which also fits in with our folklore it

1158
00:41:02,550 --> 00:40:59,440
fits completely in with our folklore

1159
00:41:04,950 --> 00:41:02,560
and with the experiences that that

1160
00:41:07,030 --> 00:41:04,960
i personally think most of us have had i

1161
00:41:09,190 --> 00:41:07,040
think most of us have had

1162
00:41:11,109 --> 00:41:09,200
some kind of paranormal experience in

1163
00:41:13,510 --> 00:41:11,119
our life and in fact i think that if we

1164
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:13,520
sit down and examine it objectively

1165
00:41:17,270 --> 00:41:15,359
and just say maybe i'll write down

1166
00:41:18,630 --> 00:41:17,280
everything weird that's ever happened to

1167
00:41:20,230 --> 00:41:18,640
me

1168
00:41:22,069 --> 00:41:20,240
everything that i couldn't completely

1169
00:41:24,309 --> 00:41:22,079
explain we might have logical

1170
00:41:26,069 --> 00:41:24,319
explanations for it i have a lot i have

1171
00:41:27,990 --> 00:41:26,079
the logical explanations that i have

1172
00:41:29,510 --> 00:41:28,000
applied to almost everything weird that

1173
00:41:31,430 --> 00:41:29,520
i've encountered and i've encountered a

1174
00:41:33,510 --> 00:41:31,440
slew

1175
00:41:35,109 --> 00:41:33,520
but i think that's because we have to

1176
00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:35,119
see these things on kind of

1177
00:41:40,950 --> 00:41:37,200
a spectrum we have to see them from a

1178
00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:40,960
spectrum of everything is completely

1179
00:41:44,550 --> 00:41:42,880
opposite of what we've been taught or

1180
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:44,560
indoctrinated in

1181
00:41:47,589 --> 00:41:46,800
i don't like using that word but that's

1182
00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:47,599
we this

1183
00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:49,440
we have a shared reality that's based on

1184
00:41:53,109 --> 00:41:51,040
the societal

1185
00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:53,119
interactions we have you and i speak the

1186
00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:55,040
same language regardless of any jokes

1187
00:41:57,829 --> 00:41:56,480
anyone might want to make about our

1188
00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:57,839
differing accents

1189
00:42:02,230 --> 00:41:59,520
we're able to communicate effectively

1190
00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:02,240
with each other you know we have

1191
00:42:06,550 --> 00:42:05,520
very similar cultures with very few main

1192
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:06,560
differences

1193
00:42:10,790 --> 00:42:08,160
you know and we're on other sides of the

1194
00:42:13,030 --> 00:42:10,800
world so

1195
00:42:15,430 --> 00:42:13,040
we're indoctrinated in our beliefs to a

1196
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:15,440
great extent and at this point

1197
00:42:23,109 --> 00:42:20,640
we as a culture whether via

1198
00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:23,119
massaging by some other greater entity

1199
00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:23,920
or or

1200
00:42:28,150 --> 00:42:26,160
influence have decided that these things

1201
00:42:30,309 --> 00:42:28,160
don't exist anymore

1202
00:42:32,230 --> 00:42:30,319
when for most of our history these

1203
00:42:34,069 --> 00:42:32,240
things were a part of it

1204
00:42:35,829 --> 00:42:34,079
um you mentioned shows like ancient

1205
00:42:38,470 --> 00:42:35,839
aliens and it's

1206
00:42:39,589 --> 00:42:38,480
we're we have to move the conversation

1207
00:42:42,829 --> 00:42:39,599
away from where

1208
00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:42,839
we're willing to make it uh giggle

1209
00:42:47,589 --> 00:42:44,880
worthy because

1210
00:42:47,990 --> 00:42:47,599
a show like that is a wealth of of of

1211
00:42:51,670 --> 00:42:48,000
true

1212
00:42:52,950 --> 00:42:51,680
information that is unfortunately has

1213
00:42:55,270 --> 00:42:52,960
the same

1214
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:55,280
trope thrown at it every time you know

1215
00:42:57,990 --> 00:42:56,640
could this tooth is where's this

1216
00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:58,000
toothbrush from well it must be

1217
00:43:01,109 --> 00:43:00,000
aliens you know i get i don't mean to

1218
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:01,119
make fun of them but

1219
00:43:09,030 --> 00:43:05,440
everything isn't aliens man you know

1220
00:43:12,630 --> 00:43:09,040
we have to get away from that that idea

1221
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:12,640
and there's a general

1222
00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:14,800
large picture to this that i think we're

1223
00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:15,680
gonna find

1224
00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:18,079
isn't one thing it's not just flying

1225
00:43:21,030 --> 00:43:18,880
saucers

1226
00:43:21,910 --> 00:43:21,040
and for the people over in this niche

1227
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:21,920
it's not just

1228
00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:24,960
ghosts and for the people over here it's

1229
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:26,880
not just this

1230
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:31,440
strange thing that you can't explain

1231
00:43:35,349 --> 00:43:33,599
i think the big question that we have to

1232
00:43:36,630 --> 00:43:35,359
focus on in the beginning is what ties

1233
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:36,640
all of these things together well

1234
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:38,160
obviously we have to acknowledge that

1235
00:43:43,349 --> 00:43:40,560
these things are actually occurring

1236
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:43,359
yeah and and set some kind of baseline

1237
00:43:45,349 --> 00:43:43,920
well

1238
00:43:48,790 --> 00:43:45,359
if these are occurring who gets the

1239
00:43:51,030 --> 00:43:48,800
microphone who gets to tell their story

1240
00:43:53,670 --> 00:43:51,040
because unfortunately it's it's it's

1241
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:53,680
also been a subject that attracts

1242
00:43:57,190 --> 00:43:55,680
storytellers whether they're telling the

1243
00:44:00,550 --> 00:43:57,200
truth or not

1244
00:44:02,630 --> 00:44:00,560
we and everybody can't be accurate

1245
00:44:04,470 --> 00:44:02,640
so somebody in the mix is lying

1246
00:44:05,030 --> 00:44:04,480
somewhere i don't want to call anybody

1247
00:44:08,150 --> 00:44:05,040
out

1248
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:08,160
but somebody is not representing either

1249
00:44:13,270 --> 00:44:11,200
that or there's just so many

1250
00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:13,280
different different visitors and you

1251
00:44:16,870 --> 00:44:14,640
know what i mean and and

1252
00:44:18,309 --> 00:44:16,880
yeah and it's interesting your turn off

1253
00:44:20,230 --> 00:44:18,319
phrase there was uh who's holding the

1254
00:44:22,150 --> 00:44:20,240
microphone at the moment

1255
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:22,160
and someone who who does have about a

1256
00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:24,240
microphone and is relatively new to the

1257
00:44:28,069 --> 00:44:25,440
party so to speak

1258
00:44:29,109 --> 00:44:28,079
uh in the public eye is brandon fugo um

1259
00:44:32,350 --> 00:44:29,119
who is the

1260
00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:32,360
proprietor of skinwalker ranch um

1261
00:44:36,870 --> 00:44:33,440
[Music]

1262
00:44:38,790 --> 00:44:36,880
personally i've i've watched half the

1263
00:44:40,710 --> 00:44:38,800
the shows in the uk because it came on

1264
00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:40,720
later here but i was watching it over

1265
00:44:45,270 --> 00:44:43,359
other means let's just say um just due

1266
00:44:48,710 --> 00:44:45,280
to my interest and when i compare that

1267
00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:51,589
unidentified is such a a grounded tone

1268
00:44:55,750 --> 00:44:53,200
to whether it was serious

1269
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:55,760
and guys like yourself luila zondo even

1270
00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:57,599
tom delong is fantastic as his

1271
00:45:02,870 --> 00:44:59,520
background as an eccentric as he can be

1272
00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:02,880
he's a really clever intelligent guy

1273
00:45:06,550 --> 00:45:04,560
i get i get the feeling with skinwalker

1274
00:45:09,990 --> 00:45:06,560
ranch it was almost

1275
00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:10,000
the kardashians version of

1276
00:45:13,349 --> 00:45:11,520
they're almost playing characters at

1277
00:45:14,950 --> 00:45:13,359
times and i don't know if you've seen

1278
00:45:15,670 --> 00:45:14,960
the series but there's a tone to it

1279
00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:15,680
where

1280
00:45:19,430 --> 00:45:18,240
i really i love the subject so much but

1281
00:45:20,790 --> 00:45:19,440
it's almost like

1282
00:45:22,390 --> 00:45:20,800
that's not the first time you've said

1283
00:45:23,829 --> 00:45:22,400
that line that they've almost told them

1284
00:45:25,109 --> 00:45:23,839
stop say that again but can you look at

1285
00:45:27,829 --> 00:45:25,119
him when you say it

1286
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:27,839
and i love the subject but that someone

1287
00:45:31,829 --> 00:45:29,280
is holding a very

1288
00:45:33,430 --> 00:45:31,839
pertinent microphone just now yeah i

1289
00:45:37,589 --> 00:45:33,440
haven't i haven't watched it

1290
00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:37,599
um i i'm very familiar with the subject

1291
00:45:44,069 --> 00:45:39,680
i did i've done a great deal of research

1292
00:45:46,150 --> 00:45:44,079
up into when the rants changed hands

1293
00:45:48,309 --> 00:45:46,160
um i'm familiar with uh the other

1294
00:45:51,430 --> 00:45:48,319
documentaries that have been done on it

1295
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:51,440
um especially the the

1296
00:45:54,550 --> 00:45:53,760
uh the incredible work by george knapp

1297
00:45:58,710 --> 00:45:54,560
uh that

1298
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:58,720
jeremy corbell uh produced um

1299
00:46:02,150 --> 00:46:00,480
but i've also had conversations that

1300
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:02,160
aren't

1301
00:46:07,430 --> 00:46:05,520
that that i so i kind of guard

1302
00:46:09,510 --> 00:46:07,440
the subject of skinwalker ranch only

1303
00:46:10,790 --> 00:46:09,520
because before the tv show came out i

1304
00:46:14,309 --> 00:46:10,800
had been involved

1305
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:14,319
and um asking a lot of questions and so

1306
00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:21,349
um i don't i don't want to infringe on

1307
00:46:25,030 --> 00:46:23,200
anything the show's trying to do but i

1308
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:25,040
will say this if

1309
00:46:28,069 --> 00:46:27,599
if you're saying that there that it

1310
00:46:30,630 --> 00:46:28,079
appears

1311
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:30,640
i don't i don't mean scripted but if you

1312
00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:32,640
mean that like it looks a little wooden

1313
00:46:37,670 --> 00:46:35,200
in the delivery sometimes

1314
00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:37,680
i can say this it's really hard to be on

1315
00:46:42,069 --> 00:46:38,800
camera

1316
00:46:46,150 --> 00:46:42,079
and

1317
00:46:48,150 --> 00:46:46,160
um i we we worked our butts off

1318
00:46:50,790 --> 00:46:48,160
during the time that i was uh involved

1319
00:46:53,030 --> 00:46:50,800
with unidentified

1320
00:46:55,030 --> 00:46:53,040
the the show runner anthony lepay the

1321
00:46:57,910 --> 00:46:55,040
producer uh

1322
00:46:58,470 --> 00:46:57,920
jessica and lou and everybody worked so

1323
00:47:01,990 --> 00:46:58,480
hard

1324
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:02,000
to maintain authenticity so anytime

1325
00:47:06,309 --> 00:47:05,520
it seemed like we were acting or that we

1326
00:47:07,990 --> 00:47:06,319
were wooden

1327
00:47:10,150 --> 00:47:08,000
and when i say it seemed like we were

1328
00:47:12,950 --> 00:47:10,160
acting there's a really fine line in

1329
00:47:14,470 --> 00:47:12,960
in between let's go tell this story for

1330
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:14,480
the hundredth time and make it seem

1331
00:47:22,710 --> 00:47:16,079
authentic

1332
00:47:25,270 --> 00:47:22,720
want to tell this story again

1333
00:47:26,549 --> 00:47:25,280
so there is and for some people there's

1334
00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:26,559
a fear that comes out

1335
00:47:30,710 --> 00:47:28,480
there there's as soon as the camera

1336
00:47:31,349 --> 00:47:30,720
comes on there's an awareness and a lock

1337
00:47:34,230 --> 00:47:31,359
up

1338
00:47:36,390 --> 00:47:34,240
and it can it can be very wooden it can

1339
00:47:37,750 --> 00:47:36,400
it can feel really personal so i don't i

1340
00:47:41,150 --> 00:47:37,760
don't begrudge those folks

1341
00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:41,160
having to go from doing really

1342
00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:43,440
adrenaline-laden

1343
00:47:49,990 --> 00:47:48,000
work um and then to turn around and be

1344
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:50,000
and knowing that there's going to be a a

1345
00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:53,280
lot of ridicule that comes with it

1346
00:47:56,790 --> 00:47:55,440
and then kind of locking up and having

1347
00:47:58,870 --> 00:47:56,800
to have someone

1348
00:47:59,829 --> 00:47:58,880
possibly tell them off camera all right

1349
00:48:03,109 --> 00:47:59,839
talk about

1350
00:48:05,109 --> 00:48:03,119
yourself because it's

1351
00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:05,119
it's tough it's there's a it's a form of

1352
00:48:09,670 --> 00:48:06,240
therapy

1353
00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:09,680
especially in in this realm when you get

1354
00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:10,800
experiencers

1355
00:48:14,790 --> 00:48:12,640
and investigators who have experienced

1356
00:48:16,390 --> 00:48:14,800
things in front of the camera there's a

1357
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:16,400
form of therapy going on you're

1358
00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:20,720
telling the most fantastic tales

1359
00:48:24,630 --> 00:48:22,640
to people and you're just you're just

1360
00:48:28,150 --> 00:48:24,640
begging they don't laugh at you

1361
00:48:29,910 --> 00:48:28,160
you know so um

1362
00:48:31,589 --> 00:48:29,920
what's going on out there at the ranch

1363
00:48:33,750 --> 00:48:31,599
is incredible and what's hap

1364
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:33,760
what seems to have been going on out

1365
00:48:36,870 --> 00:48:34,800
there at the ranch

1366
00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:36,880
for generations for lack of a better

1367
00:48:42,150 --> 00:48:38,960
word it's incredible

1368
00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:42,160
and i think that skinwalker

1369
00:48:45,670 --> 00:48:44,160
ranch as a subject and what brandon

1370
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:45,680
fugal and his team have been doing out

1371
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:47,200
there because i have been following the

1372
00:48:49,589 --> 00:48:48,720
news although i haven't watched the show

1373
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:49,599
yet

1374
00:48:54,710 --> 00:48:52,960
um is really important because they're

1375
00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:54,720
incredibly brave they're they're really

1376
00:49:00,870 --> 00:48:57,520
pioneers and saying look this is real

1377
00:49:03,190 --> 00:49:00,880
brandon's willing to obviously invest

1378
00:49:04,870 --> 00:49:03,200
literally in it but these all of these

1379
00:49:08,549 --> 00:49:04,880
people have invested their lives

1380
00:49:09,750 --> 00:49:08,559
and and their reputations in it um

1381
00:49:11,670 --> 00:49:09,760
and they're trying to help the rest of

1382
00:49:13,910 --> 00:49:11,680
us understand what the you know the

1383
00:49:15,670 --> 00:49:13,920
greater phenomenon at hand

1384
00:49:17,589 --> 00:49:15,680
so i think it's real their their story

1385
00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:17,599
is really important so

1386
00:49:24,390 --> 00:49:22,079
um i think that it it it's telling as to

1387
00:49:25,910 --> 00:49:24,400
where we need to go with this

1388
00:49:27,670 --> 00:49:25,920
i think we need to look back in our

1389
00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:27,680
traditions i think we need to talk to

1390
00:49:32,230 --> 00:49:30,000
our elders i think we need to to

1391
00:49:33,030 --> 00:49:32,240
talk to our indigenous people who who

1392
00:49:35,670 --> 00:49:33,040
have not

1393
00:49:36,870 --> 00:49:35,680
allowed their tran their traditions to

1394
00:49:38,470 --> 00:49:36,880
be um

1395
00:49:40,069 --> 00:49:38,480
to be destroyed by the influence of

1396
00:49:42,630 --> 00:49:40,079
western culture

1397
00:49:43,510 --> 00:49:42,640
and and also our indigenous people that

1398
00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:43,520
have

1399
00:49:48,230 --> 00:49:46,319
been able to maintain their traditions

1400
00:49:49,510 --> 00:49:48,240
even in the in the face of the onslaught

1401
00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:49,520
of western culture

1402
00:49:53,589 --> 00:49:51,599
you know that actively were able to

1403
00:49:55,750 --> 00:49:53,599
archive them or hide them

1404
00:49:57,589 --> 00:49:55,760
i think we need to turn to those folks

1405
00:49:59,430 --> 00:49:57,599
and to and to include our aboriginal

1406
00:50:01,670 --> 00:49:59,440
cultures throughout

1407
00:50:02,470 --> 00:50:01,680
europe and asia africa australia all of

1408
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:02,480
them

1409
00:50:06,309 --> 00:50:04,240
we need to turn to all of our cultures

1410
00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:06,319
and say hey how long has this actually

1411
00:50:09,910 --> 00:50:07,200
been around

1412
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:09,920
what are we dealing with here you know

1413
00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:10,800
um

1414
00:50:14,710 --> 00:50:12,640
it's it's not a subject that's going to

1415
00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:14,720
be solved by any one entity or

1416
00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:15,760
government

1417
00:50:22,950 --> 00:50:22,150
focus on the fact that this seems a very

1418
00:50:26,069 --> 00:50:22,960
american

1419
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:26,079
centered um i'll rem i remind

1420
00:50:29,910 --> 00:50:27,520
folks a lot of times that that's you

1421
00:50:31,589 --> 00:50:29,920
know you know roswell occurred in the

1422
00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:31,599
united states as well as many other

1423
00:50:34,790 --> 00:50:33,040
major events and the size of our

1424
00:50:37,030 --> 00:50:34,800
military lends to

1425
00:50:39,270 --> 00:50:37,040
to uh a lot of times the world looking

1426
00:50:41,910 --> 00:50:39,280
to the the us for answers in this realm

1427
00:50:43,510 --> 00:50:41,920
but any government in the world at any

1428
00:50:45,109 --> 00:50:43,520
time

1429
00:50:47,829 --> 00:50:45,119
could could put a capital d on

1430
00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:47,839
disclosure and say this is what we have

1431
00:50:51,190 --> 00:50:49,920
encountered this is what we believe etc

1432
00:50:52,790 --> 00:50:51,200
and no one has yet

1433
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:52,800
granted we're expecting in the next

1434
00:50:56,390 --> 00:50:54,480
couple days some pretty interesting

1435
00:50:59,430 --> 00:50:56,400
videos from argentina

1436
00:50:59,910 --> 00:50:59,440
um italy has shared shared a lot with

1437
00:51:02,630 --> 00:50:59,920
lou

1438
00:51:04,630 --> 00:51:02,640
on the show and i um i know that there's

1439
00:51:07,910 --> 00:51:04,640
other really interesting

1440
00:51:08,549 --> 00:51:07,920
things to come for season two but any

1441
00:51:11,829 --> 00:51:08,559
government

1442
00:51:14,150 --> 00:51:11,839
could disclose what's going on uh

1443
00:51:15,349 --> 00:51:14,160
it can't possibly just be the united

1444
00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:15,359
states of america that

1445
00:51:21,270 --> 00:51:18,800
has the the the

1446
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:21,280
the splashline title for tomorrow's

1447
00:51:24,790 --> 00:51:23,280
newspaper on this

1448
00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:24,800
yeah and i think that's always a thing

1449
00:51:28,630 --> 00:51:26,640
in the movie i love independence day but

1450
00:51:30,710 --> 00:51:28,640
everything happens around the us and

1451
00:51:32,790 --> 00:51:30,720
and the white house and new york and

1452
00:51:34,309 --> 00:51:32,800
it's always those kind of areas isn't it

1453
00:51:36,150 --> 00:51:34,319
and then i don't know if you ever saw a

1454
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:36,160
film like district 9 yes

1455
00:51:39,670 --> 00:51:37,920
where it's the whole premise is you know

1456
00:51:40,309 --> 00:51:39,680
what happened in south africa over the

1457
00:51:41,990 --> 00:51:40,319
slums

1458
00:51:43,349 --> 00:51:42,000
and it's just ah right it's a fresh

1459
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:43,359
premise and like you say

1460
00:51:46,870 --> 00:51:44,880
everywhere's got their own story with us

1461
00:51:48,150 --> 00:51:46,880
and you know you touch on season two

1462
00:51:50,309 --> 00:51:48,160
just before i move on

1463
00:51:51,829 --> 00:51:50,319
um season two is apparently coming soon

1464
00:51:53,510 --> 00:51:51,839
uh here in the uk it's kind of hard to

1465
00:51:55,510 --> 00:51:53,520
find information on but am i right and

1466
00:51:57,430 --> 00:51:55,520
saying unidentified should be

1467
00:51:59,510 --> 00:51:57,440
coming late may and is that something

1468
00:52:03,030 --> 00:51:59,520
you've got an involvement in series two

1469
00:52:03,990 --> 00:52:03,040
um i don't i don't have eyes on anything

1470
00:52:07,349 --> 00:52:04,000
down the road when

1471
00:52:09,510 --> 00:52:07,359
it when it's going to happen we

1472
00:52:10,549 --> 00:52:09,520
at least from my perspective we play we

1473
00:52:13,589 --> 00:52:10,559
fulfill our part

1474
00:52:15,750 --> 00:52:13,599
and then we wait to see um

1475
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:15,760
the final product i've been involved in

1476
00:52:17,990 --> 00:52:17,520
a couple of aspects of it but i'm not

1477
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:18,000
sure how

1478
00:52:22,790 --> 00:52:20,160
much uh that's gonna that's gonna focus

1479
00:52:24,630 --> 00:52:22,800
because this subject really evolves

1480
00:52:25,910 --> 00:52:24,640
with the moment and and that's something

1481
00:52:27,510 --> 00:52:25,920
i i think a lot of folks don't

1482
00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:27,520
understand and i had to come to grips

1483
00:52:33,030 --> 00:52:27,839
with

1484
00:52:34,390 --> 00:52:33,040
that this is based on reality this is

1485
00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:34,400
not a show

1486
00:52:38,390 --> 00:52:36,400
about something that happened before

1487
00:52:40,069 --> 00:52:38,400
this isn't reality tv this is a show

1488
00:52:40,710 --> 00:52:40,079
about the reality that we're all living

1489
00:52:43,750 --> 00:52:40,720
in the now

1490
00:52:46,710 --> 00:52:43,760
right now and so the news cycle how

1491
00:52:48,309 --> 00:52:46,720
people react to this

1492
00:52:49,750 --> 00:52:48,319
announcements from the pentagon

1493
00:52:51,670 --> 00:52:49,760
resistance from uh

1494
00:52:54,230 --> 00:52:51,680
certain areas all of these things play

1495
00:52:55,990 --> 00:52:54,240
into what's going to what's going to be

1496
00:52:58,069 --> 00:52:56,000
featured and what's more important it's

1497
00:53:01,349 --> 00:52:58,079
unfortunate but we can't do a

1498
00:53:03,589 --> 00:53:01,359
a 25 part uh season

1499
00:53:05,349 --> 00:53:03,599
you know um that's not how television

1500
00:53:08,069 --> 00:53:05,359
works unfortunately

1501
00:53:08,710 --> 00:53:08,079
and i think we all know that those those

1502
00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:08,720
stories

1503
00:53:11,829 --> 00:53:11,520
and that information is is guarded until

1504
00:53:15,349 --> 00:53:11,839
it's

1505
00:53:16,549 --> 00:53:15,359
able to be disseminated you know via

1506
00:53:19,829 --> 00:53:16,559
television that's

1507
00:53:21,829 --> 00:53:19,839
it's it's it's a um

1508
00:53:23,510 --> 00:53:21,839
it's a good it's a good you know it's

1509
00:53:25,349 --> 00:53:23,520
goods and services it's how things work

1510
00:53:27,109 --> 00:53:25,359
i know that we're dealing with a gray

1511
00:53:28,470 --> 00:53:27,119
area here that people consider to be

1512
00:53:31,910 --> 00:53:28,480
truth

1513
00:53:34,230 --> 00:53:31,920
but um but it's

1514
00:53:35,190 --> 00:53:34,240
uh i i think that the next few years are

1515
00:53:37,510 --> 00:53:35,200
going to be incredible

1516
00:53:40,230 --> 00:53:37,520
i think that the the amount of

1517
00:53:42,549 --> 00:53:40,240
participation from foreign entities

1518
00:53:43,510 --> 00:53:42,559
from from individuals who are coming

1519
00:53:46,470 --> 00:53:43,520
forward who have

1520
00:53:48,470 --> 00:53:46,480
a great deal of gravitas and really

1521
00:53:49,430 --> 00:53:48,480
really heavy influence who are willing

1522
00:53:51,829 --> 00:53:49,440
to talk about this

1523
00:53:52,470 --> 00:53:51,839
is really going to shift the subject you

1524
00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:52,480
know what

1525
00:53:55,510 --> 00:53:54,000
that was going to be my final question

1526
00:53:57,190 --> 00:53:55,520
okay which is still a little bit away so

1527
00:54:00,230 --> 00:53:57,200
i hope you've got enough time

1528
00:54:01,349 --> 00:54:00,240
um where are we in five years on this

1529
00:54:04,309 --> 00:54:01,359
subject because

1530
00:54:07,030 --> 00:54:04,319
when that article broke uh december 17th

1531
00:54:10,470 --> 00:54:07,040
or december 17th december 20th 2017

1532
00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:10,480
yes uh here we are two and a half years

1533
00:54:14,390 --> 00:54:11,280
down the line

1534
00:54:16,309 --> 00:54:14,400
and so much has changed but

1535
00:54:17,910 --> 00:54:16,319
there's maybe a frustration that not

1536
00:54:20,069 --> 00:54:17,920
enough has changed so that's

1537
00:54:22,230 --> 00:54:20,079
also an individual thing or maybe not

1538
00:54:24,230 --> 00:54:22,240
changed at the pace we wanted it to

1539
00:54:26,069 --> 00:54:24,240
um where are we in five years time in

1540
00:54:27,430 --> 00:54:26,079
your opinion

1541
00:54:29,349 --> 00:54:27,440
i think that we're going to be in a

1542
00:54:31,910 --> 00:54:29,359
place down the road that

1543
00:54:33,829 --> 00:54:31,920
that we won't recognize in in regards to

1544
00:54:36,069 --> 00:54:33,839
the subject i really do think that it's

1545
00:54:38,230 --> 00:54:36,079
on the verge of cracking open

1546
00:54:39,510 --> 00:54:38,240
um what we've seen just in the last few

1547
00:54:41,270 --> 00:54:39,520
weeks

1548
00:54:43,270 --> 00:54:41,280
with the coverage in the mainstream

1549
00:54:46,470 --> 00:54:43,280
media um

1550
00:54:48,230 --> 00:54:46,480
that i'm seeing less jokes

1551
00:54:50,789 --> 00:54:48,240
every time it comes up you know people

1552
00:54:52,630 --> 00:54:50,799
still have to pad it for their for their

1553
00:54:54,470 --> 00:54:52,640
for their safety they still have to

1554
00:54:56,710 --> 00:54:54,480
throw that joke out there

1555
00:54:59,030 --> 00:54:56,720
um we that's just that's a thing that we

1556
00:55:02,150 --> 00:54:59,040
do normally as humans you know that the

1557
00:55:04,390 --> 00:55:02,160
the idea of hey get a load of this

1558
00:55:05,910 --> 00:55:04,400
is is really us saying do you approve of

1559
00:55:08,150 --> 00:55:05,920
this behavior because i'm willing to

1560
00:55:11,190 --> 00:55:08,160
laugh at it if you are but if not

1561
00:55:13,109 --> 00:55:11,200
you know we're just checking you know

1562
00:55:13,990 --> 00:55:13,119
we're checking other people for how they

1563
00:55:17,109 --> 00:55:14,000
feel

1564
00:55:17,119 --> 00:55:23,030
we've uh just a year ago

1565
00:55:27,910 --> 00:55:25,510
i couldn't have this conversation at all

1566
00:55:31,270 --> 00:55:27,920
with close friends family or loved ones

1567
00:55:33,190 --> 00:55:31,280
um it wouldn't have been taken seriously

1568
00:55:34,870 --> 00:55:33,200
even in and around the time that i was

1569
00:55:37,670 --> 00:55:34,880
on when i returned from

1570
00:55:38,950 --> 00:55:37,680
from mexico from filming it wasn't taken

1571
00:55:41,829 --> 00:55:38,960
seriously

1572
00:55:45,589 --> 00:55:41,839
showing people pictures talking to them

1573
00:55:48,870 --> 00:55:47,109
it was still in one ear and out the

1574
00:55:51,109 --> 00:55:48,880
other it was it was

1575
00:55:52,470 --> 00:55:51,119
as it was put up there with ancient

1576
00:55:53,750 --> 00:55:52,480
aliens kind of it was like oh well

1577
00:55:55,349 --> 00:55:53,760
that's not real though

1578
00:55:56,630 --> 00:55:55,359
you don't really at the end it would

1579
00:55:57,190 --> 00:55:56,640
always be do you real but do you guys

1580
00:55:59,990 --> 00:55:57,200
believe

1581
00:56:01,349 --> 00:56:00,000
that and i would always say well there's

1582
00:56:04,549 --> 00:56:01,359
no that to believe

1583
00:56:06,870 --> 00:56:04,559
that's that's what that's what occurred

1584
00:56:08,230 --> 00:56:06,880
you know um and and then they jump to

1585
00:56:10,789 --> 00:56:08,240
the aliens part because

1586
00:56:12,710 --> 00:56:10,799
they have to invalidate it because it

1587
00:56:13,750 --> 00:56:12,720
opens too many cans of worms for a lot

1588
00:56:17,190 --> 00:56:13,760
of people

1589
00:56:19,430 --> 00:56:17,200
um i think we're cracking through that

1590
00:56:21,510 --> 00:56:19,440
i think that that as more and more

1591
00:56:23,190 --> 00:56:21,520
people are turning to each other and

1592
00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:23,200
going do you think that's real

1593
00:56:26,230 --> 00:56:24,720
and the other people are turning back

1594
00:56:27,670 --> 00:56:26,240
going yeah man i've been watching this

1595
00:56:30,230 --> 00:56:27,680
for a couple of months you should see

1596
00:56:32,069 --> 00:56:30,240
this thing have you watched this show

1597
00:56:33,430 --> 00:56:32,079
it takes time for these things to get

1598
00:56:36,950 --> 00:56:33,440
into the zeitgeist

1599
00:56:37,349 --> 00:56:36,960
um nobody deals good with having the

1600
00:56:39,030 --> 00:56:37,359
wool

1601
00:56:40,870 --> 00:56:39,040
or the the carpet pulled out from under

1602
00:56:43,589 --> 00:56:40,880
them on their beliefs

1603
00:56:45,910 --> 00:56:43,599
all in one go and and this doesn't even

1604
00:56:47,190 --> 00:56:45,920
touch upon personal beliefs and religion

1605
00:56:50,549 --> 00:56:47,200
and and what

1606
00:56:53,589 --> 00:56:50,559
it you know if this is if this is

1607
00:56:54,950 --> 00:56:53,599
beings that have say uh who cares who

1608
00:56:55,670 --> 00:56:54,960
they're related to first of all at the

1609
00:56:57,670 --> 00:56:55,680
moment

1610
00:56:59,670 --> 00:56:57,680
but if these beings have more control

1611
00:57:02,549 --> 00:56:59,680
over the environment than we do

1612
00:57:03,430 --> 00:57:02,559
whether it's through advanced technology

1613
00:57:05,030 --> 00:57:03,440
or

1614
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:05,040
levels of consciousness that we don't

1615
00:57:10,309 --> 00:57:06,960
fully understand yet

1616
00:57:13,670 --> 00:57:10,319
um that's scary stuff

1617
00:57:15,430 --> 00:57:13,680
and and none of us so far can provide

1618
00:57:17,589 --> 00:57:15,440
direct evidence as to whether these are

1619
00:57:21,030 --> 00:57:17,599
the good guys or the bad guys

1620
00:57:22,870 --> 00:57:21,040
and if if if evidence that we've

1621
00:57:24,870 --> 00:57:22,880
that we've seen so far you know nature's

1622
00:57:26,150 --> 00:57:24,880
red and tooth and claw everyone has an

1623
00:57:28,789 --> 00:57:26,160
agenda

1624
00:57:30,710 --> 00:57:28,799
you you you know there is no one that

1625
00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:30,720
has a level of control

1626
00:57:35,190 --> 00:57:32,960
that doesn't have an agenda that goes

1627
00:57:37,270 --> 00:57:35,200
along with that or or a set of of

1628
00:57:39,190 --> 00:57:37,280
of beliefs and we don't know anything

1629
00:57:42,710 --> 00:57:39,200
about the phenomena's

1630
00:57:44,870 --> 00:57:42,720
objectives intents moral beliefs

1631
00:57:46,710 --> 00:57:44,880
and the only people that we that we can

1632
00:57:49,109 --> 00:57:46,720
get that information from are people

1633
00:57:51,030 --> 00:57:49,119
that have very fantastic tales about

1634
00:57:53,990 --> 00:57:51,040
how they attain to that information

1635
00:57:57,030 --> 00:57:54,000
there is no open communication

1636
00:57:59,670 --> 00:57:57,040
between all of the rest of us

1637
00:58:00,549 --> 00:57:59,680
and the people that are so would you say

1638
00:58:02,710 --> 00:58:00,559
yeah you

1639
00:58:04,069 --> 00:58:02,720
so you don't think and it's that easy

1640
00:58:05,829 --> 00:58:04,079
thing that there is a

1641
00:58:07,910 --> 00:58:05,839
let's just hone in on the us government

1642
00:58:09,510 --> 00:58:07,920
because it's the main one i suppose

1643
00:58:10,870 --> 00:58:09,520
in this sense that there's a small part

1644
00:58:12,549 --> 00:58:10,880
of the us government that even the

1645
00:58:13,990 --> 00:58:12,559
president doesn't get access to you know

1646
00:58:17,190 --> 00:58:14,000
that's probably a good thing

1647
00:58:19,510 --> 00:58:17,200
um that the a couple of people sit

1648
00:58:21,670 --> 00:58:19,520
around the table like an mj12 type group

1649
00:58:23,109 --> 00:58:21,680
and they know do you think even at that

1650
00:58:25,430 --> 00:58:23,119
very highest level

1651
00:58:26,390 --> 00:58:25,440
there's still so much uncertainty in the

1652
00:58:28,150 --> 00:58:26,400
subject

1653
00:58:30,549 --> 00:58:28,160
the indications i've seen is that there

1654
00:58:32,549 --> 00:58:30,559
is no con whatever conference room and

1655
00:58:33,829 --> 00:58:32,559
conference table that may or may not

1656
00:58:36,390 --> 00:58:33,839
have once existed

1657
00:58:36,950 --> 00:58:36,400
to govern this subject it has gathered

1658
00:58:40,549 --> 00:58:36,960
dust

1659
00:58:42,710 --> 00:58:40,559
and isn't no one's meeting anymore um

1660
00:58:43,829 --> 00:58:42,720
this seems like almost like an artifact

1661
00:58:47,589 --> 00:58:43,839
that

1662
00:58:50,230 --> 00:58:47,599
stumbled upon but this seems like a bus

1663
00:58:54,950 --> 00:58:50,240
that didn't have a driver i think

1664
00:58:56,309 --> 00:58:54,960
um and i think that

1665
00:58:58,230 --> 00:58:56,319
i think there's some people who wish

1666
00:59:01,109 --> 00:58:58,240
that the bus still had no driver or

1667
00:59:02,829 --> 00:59:01,119
or or that they were driving and and

1668
00:59:07,990 --> 00:59:02,839
they're resisting this

1669
00:59:11,109 --> 00:59:09,510
it's really hard to tell but the the

1670
00:59:13,589 --> 00:59:11,119
indications to me are there there

1671
00:59:15,750 --> 00:59:13,599
doesn't seem to be anyone that that's

1672
00:59:16,710 --> 00:59:15,760
that's actively in charge of this that i

1673
00:59:20,630 --> 00:59:16,720
that i can

1674
00:59:22,789 --> 00:59:20,640
that there there doesn't seem to be one

1675
00:59:23,990 --> 00:59:22,799
person to go to for answers the history

1676
00:59:26,789 --> 00:59:24,000
of it

1677
00:59:27,589 --> 00:59:26,799
speaks that at the executive level in

1678
00:59:29,510 --> 00:59:27,599
our government

1679
00:59:32,069 --> 00:59:29,520
that the briefings aren't always there

1680
00:59:35,510 --> 00:59:32,079
or may have stopped at some point

1681
00:59:37,109 --> 00:59:35,520
in the recent past the reasons behind

1682
00:59:39,589 --> 00:59:37,119
that i don't know i haven't

1683
00:59:41,670 --> 00:59:39,599
i'm i'm piggybacking on the shoulders of

1684
00:59:44,829 --> 00:59:41,680
giants and then their research

1685
00:59:46,150 --> 00:59:44,839
but um but one thing that i do know is

1686
00:59:50,069 --> 00:59:46,160
that

1687
00:59:52,870 --> 00:59:50,079
this this is gonna take time to

1688
00:59:54,630 --> 00:59:52,880
to get into people's heads and to be

1689
00:59:57,589 --> 00:59:54,640
safe for them

1690
00:59:59,270 --> 00:59:57,599
and i think that we're gonna have to be

1691
00:59:59,990 --> 00:59:59,280
patient i think that unfortunately what

1692
01:00:02,150 --> 01:00:00,000
a lot of people who

1693
01:00:04,150 --> 01:00:02,160
are directly involved in this uh people

1694
01:00:07,190 --> 01:00:04,160
who consider themselves ufologists

1695
01:00:10,230 --> 01:00:07,200
or um even hardcore

1696
01:00:11,750 --> 01:00:10,240
involved fans and things like that um we

1697
01:00:15,829 --> 01:00:11,760
get addicted to the

1698
01:00:17,910 --> 01:00:15,839
every time something new happens that

1699
01:00:20,549 --> 01:00:17,920
dopamine hits and and we're just

1700
01:00:22,789 --> 01:00:20,559
we're we're really ready for something

1701
01:00:26,230 --> 01:00:22,799
that we can sink our teeth into and i

1702
01:00:26,710 --> 01:00:26,240
i think that's coming because i think

1703
01:00:33,190 --> 01:00:26,720
that

1704
01:00:34,870 --> 01:00:33,200
because unfortunately we're not ready to

1705
01:00:36,789 --> 01:00:34,880
have open minds

1706
01:00:38,470 --> 01:00:36,799
and and see this for what it is we're

1707
01:00:40,789 --> 01:00:38,480
only ready to see it

1708
01:00:43,750 --> 01:00:40,799
even a lot of the open mind seemingly

1709
01:00:46,230 --> 01:00:43,760
open-minded people in the community

1710
01:00:48,470 --> 01:00:46,240
they know what this is they're sure who

1711
01:00:51,510 --> 01:00:48,480
it is where it's from

1712
01:00:53,829 --> 01:00:51,520
and as i'm fond of saying we can't all

1713
01:00:54,309 --> 01:00:53,839
be right if we if we are i'll shut up i

1714
01:00:56,710 --> 01:00:54,319
mean but

1715
01:00:57,589 --> 01:00:56,720
but man it's like star wars out there

1716
01:01:01,190 --> 01:00:57,599
you know

1717
01:01:02,150 --> 01:01:01,200
all be right but everyone can be wrong

1718
01:01:04,309 --> 01:01:02,160
which is

1719
01:01:05,510 --> 01:01:04,319
where there's a possibility that's

1720
01:01:07,750 --> 01:01:05,520
that's true yeah just

1721
01:01:09,589 --> 01:01:07,760
just like we only need one we only need

1722
01:01:11,670 --> 01:01:09,599
one of these things to be real

1723
01:01:13,589 --> 01:01:11,680
you know for the phenomenon to be real

1724
01:01:14,230 --> 01:01:13,599
yeah we can all be wrong at the same

1725
01:01:17,349 --> 01:01:14,240
time

1726
01:01:18,710 --> 01:01:17,359
yeah yeah um and there's a lot of really

1727
01:01:20,309 --> 01:01:18,720
good theories out there but as you say

1728
01:01:21,750 --> 01:01:20,319
even the people who i would throw my

1729
01:01:22,470 --> 01:01:21,760
weight behind and really follow just

1730
01:01:24,470 --> 01:01:22,480
know like

1731
01:01:26,230 --> 01:01:24,480
um i think you follow deep prasad on

1732
01:01:28,470 --> 01:01:26,240
twitter who is someone who's

1733
01:01:29,430 --> 01:01:28,480
kind of exploded on the scene and he's a

1734
01:01:31,109 --> 01:01:29,440
young guy and

1735
01:01:32,710 --> 01:01:31,119
seems like he's getting his fingers and

1736
01:01:33,270 --> 01:01:32,720
so many different pies out there as well

1737
01:01:35,589 --> 01:01:33,280
but

1738
01:01:37,349 --> 01:01:35,599
even he's got some really crazy theories

1739
01:01:38,230 --> 01:01:37,359
and ideas but he says that himself that

1740
01:01:40,150 --> 01:01:38,240
you know what

1741
01:01:41,510 --> 01:01:40,160
that's this is just what i think but you

1742
01:01:43,270 --> 01:01:41,520
know what there's a logic behind what he

1743
01:01:45,109 --> 01:01:43,280
says in our reasoning and he's not

1744
01:01:47,190 --> 01:01:45,119
pushing on people that this is this is

1745
01:01:48,789 --> 01:01:47,200
what it is he's not selling a book with

1746
01:01:51,430 --> 01:01:48,799
the title you know

1747
01:01:53,030 --> 01:01:51,440
these hands came and stole my car i've

1748
01:01:55,670 --> 01:01:53,040
had the pleasure of having uh

1749
01:01:57,029 --> 01:01:55,680
deep at my house and and we've had

1750
01:01:58,150 --> 01:01:57,039
dinner a couple of times together here

1751
01:02:00,549 --> 01:01:58,160
in san diego

1752
01:02:01,510 --> 01:02:00,559
uh we filmed a documentary together last

1753
01:02:04,470 --> 01:02:01,520
year

1754
01:02:06,390 --> 01:02:04,480
um that i don't have any information on

1755
01:02:07,349 --> 01:02:06,400
it right now but we're still under nda

1756
01:02:10,710 --> 01:02:07,359
on it so that's

1757
01:02:13,349 --> 01:02:10,720
all i can say is that we've okay um but

1758
01:02:15,349 --> 01:02:13,359
deep is a very very insightful young man

1759
01:02:16,789 --> 01:02:15,359
uh very intelligent young man i had a

1760
01:02:18,309 --> 01:02:16,799
really good time i don't mean to young

1761
01:02:22,230 --> 01:02:18,319
man him like that i'm just

1762
01:02:24,309 --> 01:02:22,240
i'm an old guy yeah i'm i'm i feel young

1763
01:02:25,190 --> 01:02:24,319
i'm 34 but you know i'm calling him a

1764
01:02:26,470 --> 01:02:25,200
young guy but

1765
01:02:28,069 --> 01:02:26,480
i think i was one of the first to

1766
01:02:28,549 --> 01:02:28,079
properly follow him on twitter as well i

1767
01:02:31,510 --> 01:02:28,559
was quite

1768
01:02:32,630 --> 01:02:31,520
i was early on the bandwagon when i

1769
01:02:34,069 --> 01:02:32,640
first saw it

1770
01:02:35,430 --> 01:02:34,079
yeah yeah i'm going to be one of those

1771
01:02:36,789 --> 01:02:35,440
guys there going you know what i was one

1772
01:02:38,710 --> 01:02:36,799
of the first to follow him

1773
01:02:40,630 --> 01:02:38,720
i sent him a direct message when he used

1774
01:02:41,109 --> 01:02:40,640
to get those and he didn't reply but you

1775
01:02:44,309 --> 01:02:41,119
know

1776
01:02:45,990 --> 01:02:44,319
i'm sure he's a busy guy

1777
01:02:48,470 --> 01:02:46,000
i have a really hard time keeping up

1778
01:02:50,390 --> 01:02:48,480
with my dms um i have i've opened

1779
01:02:52,069 --> 01:02:50,400
conversations with a lot of people and

1780
01:02:54,309 --> 01:02:52,079
it's at a point now where i'll pop in

1781
01:02:57,750 --> 01:02:54,319
there with 75 of them in my box and

1782
01:03:00,309 --> 01:02:57,760
triage is ugly sometimes um

1783
01:03:02,069 --> 01:03:00,319
i don't i don't blame you either like um

1784
01:03:05,029 --> 01:03:02,079
can i just ask something so

1785
01:03:06,630 --> 01:03:05,039
you mentioned before about uh things

1786
01:03:08,230 --> 01:03:06,640
gathering pace and you know

1787
01:03:09,829 --> 01:03:08,240
the subject may be on the verge of

1788
01:03:10,950 --> 01:03:09,839
cracking in a really positive way

1789
01:03:12,789 --> 01:03:10,960
something you've thrown your weight

1790
01:03:13,190 --> 01:03:12,799
behind it's online the last couple of

1791
01:03:14,230 --> 01:03:13,200
days

1792
01:03:16,230 --> 01:03:14,240
tell us a little bit about the

1793
01:03:17,670 --> 01:03:16,240
unidentified outreach letter writing

1794
01:03:18,789 --> 01:03:17,680
program and that's something i've just

1795
01:03:20,309 --> 01:03:18,799
learned as well

1796
01:03:22,390 --> 01:03:20,319
actually extends to other countries and

1797
01:03:23,750 --> 01:03:22,400
not just the us so tell us a little bit

1798
01:03:26,549 --> 01:03:23,760
about that

1799
01:03:27,430 --> 01:03:26,559
so the unidentified.net has a as you

1800
01:03:29,589 --> 01:03:27,440
said the outreach

1801
01:03:31,589 --> 01:03:29,599
program that this portion of it is being

1802
01:03:34,470 --> 01:03:31,599
led by a gentleman named terrace matla

1803
01:03:35,829 --> 01:03:34,480
he's a museum curator or director from

1804
01:03:36,950 --> 01:03:35,839
the east coast to the us i can't

1805
01:03:39,430 --> 01:03:36,960
remember which museum

1806
01:03:39,990 --> 01:03:39,440
or which university he's with the moment

1807
01:03:41,270 --> 01:03:40,000
but

1808
01:03:43,670 --> 01:03:41,280
he wrote an incredible letter that

1809
01:03:47,029 --> 01:03:43,680
people can use as a template

1810
01:03:48,630 --> 01:03:47,039
and can be changed a little bit you know

1811
01:03:50,710 --> 01:03:48,640
depending upon what country or what your

1812
01:03:52,309 --> 01:03:50,720
uh what your parliament or what your

1813
01:03:54,870 --> 01:03:52,319
congress might look like

1814
01:03:56,230 --> 01:03:54,880
but um what this does i think what this

1815
01:03:59,270 --> 01:03:56,240
does is really gives

1816
01:04:01,589 --> 01:03:59,280
our lawmakers an understanding of how

1817
01:04:02,789 --> 01:04:01,599
seriously their constituents take this

1818
01:04:04,230 --> 01:04:02,799
subject

1819
01:04:05,589 --> 01:04:04,240
but i also think that something that

1820
01:04:07,589 --> 01:04:05,599
it's going to do is it's going to give

1821
01:04:08,230 --> 01:04:07,599
them a confidence to start asking these

1822
01:04:12,630 --> 01:04:08,240
questions

1823
01:04:13,910 --> 01:04:12,640
with louder voices and

1824
01:04:15,430 --> 01:04:13,920
because it's going to tell them that

1825
01:04:16,870 --> 01:04:15,440
their constituents are behind them and

1826
01:04:18,390 --> 01:04:16,880
that regardless of some of the people

1827
01:04:18,710 --> 01:04:18,400
that might be in the gallery where they

1828
01:04:20,789 --> 01:04:18,720
are

1829
01:04:22,950 --> 01:04:20,799
or some of their colleagues whether they

1830
01:04:24,549 --> 01:04:22,960
may not take it seriously or may whether

1831
01:04:26,789 --> 01:04:24,559
they may have vested interests that are

1832
01:04:29,510 --> 01:04:26,799
contrary to everyone understanding

1833
01:04:31,029 --> 01:04:29,520
what's going on

1834
01:04:32,549 --> 01:04:31,039
we recognize that this is a real

1835
01:04:35,430 --> 01:04:32,559
phenomenon now

1836
01:04:37,430 --> 01:04:35,440
um tom delong and ttsa and the hard work

1837
01:04:39,510 --> 01:04:37,440
of the folks a lot of other folks

1838
01:04:40,630 --> 01:04:39,520
have made it obvious that this is this

1839
01:04:45,349 --> 01:04:40,640
is real

1840
01:04:47,829 --> 01:04:45,359
studied for 70 years

1841
01:04:48,470 --> 01:04:47,839
um at least by the united states

1842
01:04:51,589 --> 01:04:48,480
government

1843
01:04:53,510 --> 01:04:51,599
obviously also by other foreign

1844
01:04:55,510 --> 01:04:53,520
governments and militaries

1845
01:04:57,430 --> 01:04:55,520
and it's time for us to have this

1846
01:04:58,230 --> 01:04:57,440
conversation it's time for us to finally

1847
01:05:00,870 --> 01:04:58,240
say

1848
01:05:02,470 --> 01:05:00,880
what is this and there there are so many

1849
01:05:04,230 --> 01:05:02,480
aspects to it but i think that if we can

1850
01:05:05,829 --> 01:05:04,240
get the voices that we have in our in

1851
01:05:07,829 --> 01:05:05,839
our capitals and in our

1852
01:05:09,589 --> 01:05:07,839
and in our our law making services to

1853
01:05:11,190 --> 01:05:09,599
understand that this is serious

1854
01:05:13,190 --> 01:05:11,200
we don't have time to laugh about it

1855
01:05:14,630 --> 01:05:13,200
anymore and to give them the confidence

1856
01:05:15,510 --> 01:05:14,640
to stand up and speak

1857
01:05:16,870 --> 01:05:15,520
then they're going to be able to

1858
01:05:18,390 --> 01:05:16,880
represent us in the way that we need

1859
01:05:20,069 --> 01:05:18,400
them to

1860
01:05:22,069 --> 01:05:20,079
awesome and that's something i'll put

1861
01:05:23,750 --> 01:05:22,079
the link on as well on the the bio for

1862
01:05:25,109 --> 01:05:23,760
everyone to get involved in because

1863
01:05:26,710 --> 01:05:25,119
like you've said and like people like

1864
01:05:28,309 --> 01:05:26,720
elizondo have said it's really pushing

1865
01:05:28,789 --> 01:05:28,319
the conversation forward and you can see

1866
01:05:32,470 --> 01:05:28,799
that

1867
01:05:33,990 --> 01:05:32,480
a few more questions and then i want to

1868
01:05:34,710 --> 01:05:34,000
kind of finish off with a bit of a quick

1869
01:05:36,390 --> 01:05:34,720
fire

1870
01:05:38,549 --> 01:05:36,400
and can a word association with you if

1871
01:05:40,630 --> 01:05:38,559
you don't mind

1872
01:05:41,750 --> 01:05:40,640
sean what's the most underplayed or

1873
01:05:43,510 --> 01:05:41,760
under discussed

1874
01:05:46,470 --> 01:05:43,520
part of the whole phenomena for you is

1875
01:05:50,950 --> 01:05:49,910
for me it's it's the um it's the solid

1876
01:05:53,990 --> 01:05:50,960
history

1877
01:05:55,910 --> 01:05:54,000
um the the fact that we don't have to

1878
01:05:59,190 --> 01:05:55,920
keep going back to baseline

1879
01:06:01,589 --> 01:05:59,200
every time we um there's a new uh

1880
01:06:02,630 --> 01:06:01,599
news clip about this or something else

1881
01:06:05,910 --> 01:06:02,640
um

1882
01:06:08,950 --> 01:06:05,920
the foundation behind this is very solid

1883
01:06:10,950 --> 01:06:08,960
and i think that if that

1884
01:06:13,190 --> 01:06:10,960
we need to stop trying to to win

1885
01:06:15,829 --> 01:06:13,200
arguments in regards to this we need to

1886
01:06:18,549 --> 01:06:15,839
approach it with confidence and and say

1887
01:06:21,109 --> 01:06:18,559
that the foundation is there

1888
01:06:22,789 --> 01:06:21,119
awesome okay okay sean i had a couple of

1889
01:06:26,309 --> 01:06:22,799
questions sent in for you

1890
01:06:27,029 --> 01:06:26,319
uh from uh listener based in wales as

1891
01:06:30,630 --> 01:06:27,039
well

1892
01:06:34,390 --> 01:06:30,640
um the signal a very active one

1893
01:06:36,390 --> 01:06:34,400
he's a good um so

1894
01:06:37,990 --> 01:06:36,400
awesome yeah yeah really nice they sent

1895
01:06:39,589 --> 01:06:38,000
me over some cracking links recently as

1896
01:06:42,950 --> 01:06:39,599
well

1897
01:06:43,910 --> 01:06:42,960
first question yeah so do you know what

1898
01:06:45,190 --> 01:06:43,920
the first one i thought

1899
01:06:46,630 --> 01:06:45,200
that seems about a silly question and

1900
01:06:48,230 --> 01:06:46,640
then i read it a few times and i was

1901
01:06:49,270 --> 01:06:48,240
like actually no i i want to know the

1902
01:06:52,470 --> 01:06:49,280
answer to this

1903
01:06:53,190 --> 01:06:52,480
um so what goes into designating an

1904
01:06:56,470 --> 01:06:53,200
object

1905
01:06:58,309 --> 01:06:56,480
unidentified oh

1906
01:07:00,069 --> 01:06:58,319
well i think that the the first thing we

1907
01:07:01,430 --> 01:07:00,079
have to ask ourselves is who's the one

1908
01:07:04,950 --> 01:07:01,440
that's putting that

1909
01:07:06,870 --> 01:07:04,960
moniker on it um but from my standpoint

1910
01:07:11,510 --> 01:07:06,880
if i were if i were

1911
01:07:15,829 --> 01:07:13,670
evidence that they wanted me to look at

1912
01:07:18,309 --> 01:07:15,839
and i deemed it worth my time and began

1913
01:07:20,710 --> 01:07:18,319
looking at it

1914
01:07:21,750 --> 01:07:20,720
what what determines that something is

1915
01:07:23,829 --> 01:07:21,760
unidentified

1916
01:07:25,589 --> 01:07:23,839
is very simple i know that i'm i'm

1917
01:07:27,829 --> 01:07:25,599
building up to it but

1918
01:07:29,109 --> 01:07:27,839
if you cannot determine with assurance

1919
01:07:32,230 --> 01:07:29,119
what the object is

1920
01:07:33,670 --> 01:07:32,240
the object is unidentified um

1921
01:07:35,430 --> 01:07:33,680
and it literally means that we don't

1922
01:07:37,589 --> 01:07:35,440
know what it is uh

1923
01:07:39,430 --> 01:07:37,599
there's the so the process that goes

1924
01:07:40,470 --> 01:07:39,440
into it is as simple as looking at is

1925
01:07:41,990 --> 01:07:40,480
using your

1926
01:07:43,990 --> 01:07:42,000
your visual system you know your own

1927
01:07:45,829 --> 01:07:44,000
visual system first and then and then

1928
01:07:47,430 --> 01:07:45,839
going from there in a

1929
01:07:48,870 --> 01:07:47,440
dig digging deeper and deeper but at

1930
01:07:52,069 --> 01:07:48,880
some points

1931
01:07:56,470 --> 01:07:52,079
um a blurry picture of a light at night

1932
01:07:58,549 --> 01:07:56,480
provides no evidence your very value um

1933
01:07:59,829 --> 01:07:58,559
we need context we need background we

1934
01:08:02,390 --> 01:07:59,839
need a lot of

1935
01:08:04,470 --> 01:08:02,400
other information so identifying

1936
01:08:06,549 --> 01:08:04,480
something is a matter of context

1937
01:08:08,829 --> 01:08:06,559
sometimes in the moment and then it's a

1938
01:08:12,150 --> 01:08:08,839
matter of context of the evidence

1939
01:08:13,990 --> 01:08:12,160
so it's kind of open-ended

1940
01:08:15,430 --> 01:08:14,000
you've answered that you've answered

1941
01:08:17,030 --> 01:08:15,440
that question better than most

1942
01:08:17,990 --> 01:08:17,040
politicians have answered questions in

1943
01:08:20,149 --> 01:08:18,000
the uk that

1944
01:08:21,110 --> 01:08:20,159
are on the news daily just now so so

1945
01:08:23,510 --> 01:08:21,120
well done

1946
01:08:24,630 --> 01:08:23,520
um and he also asked a question so um

1947
01:08:27,430 --> 01:08:24,640
looking for how

1948
01:08:31,430 --> 01:08:27,440
you personally find some solace and

1949
01:08:37,430 --> 01:08:34,630
um well number one i met it i meditate

1950
01:08:39,349 --> 01:08:37,440
um and for a lot of people that's still

1951
01:08:41,510 --> 01:08:39,359
kind of a foreign word

1952
01:08:43,510 --> 01:08:41,520
but what meditation really is is

1953
01:08:47,189 --> 01:08:43,520
providing yourself the time

1954
01:08:49,910 --> 01:08:47,199
to sit down and to focus on something

1955
01:08:50,550 --> 01:08:49,920
um that in most case lacks a great deal

1956
01:08:52,309 --> 01:08:50,560
of meaning

1957
01:08:53,590 --> 01:08:52,319
so you can let your brain shut off for a

1958
01:08:57,910 --> 01:08:53,600
little while

1959
01:09:00,149 --> 01:08:57,920
and and remove

1960
01:09:02,149 --> 01:09:00,159
the accumulation of a lifetime i think

1961
01:09:05,269 --> 01:09:02,159
is the best way to put it that fits

1962
01:09:07,189 --> 01:09:05,279
for for anyone of any faith you don't

1963
01:09:08,870 --> 01:09:07,199
need to be any specific religion you

1964
01:09:11,189 --> 01:09:08,880
don't need to have any special training

1965
01:09:14,229 --> 01:09:11,199
to to sit down and try to remain

1966
01:09:16,390 --> 01:09:14,239
alert while not necessarily

1967
01:09:18,789 --> 01:09:16,400
thinking or grasping the thoughts that

1968
01:09:21,990 --> 01:09:18,799
are constantly going through our minds

1969
01:09:24,309 --> 01:09:22,000
and for me when we do that

1970
01:09:25,510 --> 01:09:24,319
we find that there's an under layer to

1971
01:09:28,390 --> 01:09:25,520
us um

1972
01:09:29,990 --> 01:09:28,400
that is already at peace and so then

1973
01:09:32,550 --> 01:09:30,000
when things are challenging

1974
01:09:34,229 --> 01:09:32,560
we can look at those challenges as the

1975
01:09:36,229 --> 01:09:34,239
adventure that we're on

1976
01:09:39,430 --> 01:09:36,239
and less is the personal attack that

1977
01:09:41,510 --> 01:09:39,440
life can often feel like

1978
01:09:42,950 --> 01:09:41,520
awesome so that moves as nicely and

1979
01:09:44,709 --> 01:09:42,960
making a word association

1980
01:09:45,990 --> 01:09:44,719
i've done this with gary on the last

1981
01:09:47,669 --> 01:09:46,000
episode that was really good

1982
01:09:49,349 --> 01:09:47,679
so it can be a couple of words first

1983
01:09:50,950 --> 01:09:49,359
thing that comes to your mind or a few

1984
01:09:51,910 --> 01:09:50,960
sentences or if you want to go on a bit

1985
01:09:53,590 --> 01:09:51,920
more you can

1986
01:09:54,709 --> 01:09:53,600
but i'll change it about a little bit

1987
01:09:55,590 --> 01:09:54,719
because like you've touched on

1988
01:09:59,669 --> 01:09:55,600
meditation

1989
01:10:01,590 --> 01:09:59,679
uh interested in your thoughts on ce5

1990
01:10:05,030 --> 01:10:01,600
and stephen greer obviously haven't

1991
01:10:08,149 --> 01:10:05,040
really recently released a documentary

1992
01:10:10,390 --> 01:10:08,159
well ce5 in general to me is just

1993
01:10:12,149 --> 01:10:10,400
to me personally it's a simplification

1994
01:10:14,550 --> 01:10:12,159
in rebranding of what a lot of people

1995
01:10:16,070 --> 01:10:14,560
call channeling or mediumship

1996
01:10:18,550 --> 01:10:16,080
and i think that if people are

1997
01:10:20,149 --> 01:10:18,560
interested in ce5 they should also do a

1998
01:10:23,510 --> 01:10:20,159
little bit of research

1999
01:10:25,430 --> 01:10:23,520
uh into mediumship and channeling

2000
01:10:27,510 --> 01:10:25,440
because if they have trepidation about

2001
01:10:30,630 --> 01:10:27,520
it based on what it's named they should

2002
01:10:32,709 --> 01:10:30,640
they should just take it a little easy

2003
01:10:34,870 --> 01:10:32,719
as far as dr grier goes i acknowledge

2004
01:10:39,590 --> 01:10:34,880
his incredible

2005
01:10:42,630 --> 01:10:39,600
catalog of uh

2006
01:10:43,990 --> 01:10:42,640
of evidence that he's brought forth to

2007
01:10:47,750 --> 01:10:44,000
people the disclosure project

2008
01:10:48,310 --> 01:10:47,760
etc um i'm not a fan of branding of any

2009
01:10:51,910 --> 01:10:48,320
kind

2010
01:10:54,790 --> 01:10:51,920
in regards to this so

2011
01:10:55,830 --> 01:10:54,800
i also my feelings also stem stemming

2012
01:10:58,310 --> 01:10:55,840
from meditation

2013
01:10:59,189 --> 01:10:58,320
are that people be careful when

2014
01:11:03,590 --> 01:10:59,199
involving

2015
01:11:05,270 --> 01:11:03,600
very strong emotions and expectations

2016
01:11:07,430 --> 01:11:05,280
and things like that because we can

2017
01:11:08,870 --> 01:11:07,440
mislead ourselves i'm not i'm not

2018
01:11:10,790 --> 01:11:08,880
debunking anything

2019
01:11:12,470 --> 01:11:10,800
i'm not saying that that any any of

2020
01:11:15,750 --> 01:11:12,480
these um

2021
01:11:17,110 --> 01:11:15,760
protocols that people uh represent or

2022
01:11:20,310 --> 01:11:17,120
that they may be selling

2023
01:11:22,950 --> 01:11:20,320
whether they have um validity or not

2024
01:11:23,830 --> 01:11:22,960
um i'm just saying that i think people

2025
01:11:27,189 --> 01:11:23,840
need to be their own

2026
01:11:27,910 --> 01:11:27,199
advocates and if they they just need to

2027
01:11:33,030 --> 01:11:27,920
be careful

2028
01:11:36,229 --> 01:11:33,040
spiritual journey

2029
01:11:38,390 --> 01:11:36,239
rather than your own heart so on the

2030
01:11:40,310 --> 01:11:38,400
scale of the unidentified to

2031
01:11:41,430 --> 01:11:40,320
ancient aliens you would say that falls

2032
01:11:45,189 --> 01:11:41,440
more towards the ancient

2033
01:11:45,830 --> 01:11:45,199
aliens side of things well i don't i

2034
01:11:49,830 --> 01:11:45,840
don't

2035
01:11:51,350 --> 01:11:49,840
efficacy for the claims that are being

2036
01:11:53,350 --> 01:11:51,360
made

2037
01:11:54,790 --> 01:11:53,360
so i have to place it more into

2038
01:11:57,110 --> 01:11:54,800
underneath a

2039
01:11:58,310 --> 01:11:57,120
umbrella of entertainment until i see

2040
01:11:59,669 --> 01:11:58,320
that now i know that there's people that

2041
01:12:01,590 --> 01:11:59,679
will say well you haven't

2042
01:12:03,510 --> 01:12:01,600
the data is here the data is there and

2043
01:12:06,390 --> 01:12:03,520
it may be and and my investigation

2044
01:12:08,229 --> 01:12:06,400
hasn't led me to a point where i have

2045
01:12:09,430 --> 01:12:08,239
where i have really tried to put any

2046
01:12:13,350 --> 01:12:09,440
kind of um

2047
01:12:15,430 --> 01:12:13,360
any kind of weight behind ce5 um

2048
01:12:17,110 --> 01:12:15,440
i've had my own personal experience with

2049
01:12:18,709 --> 01:12:17,120
it and frankly that's what leads me to

2050
01:12:21,430 --> 01:12:18,719
tell people to be careful

2051
01:12:22,630 --> 01:12:21,440
i know that people will say that that um

2052
01:12:24,470 --> 01:12:22,640
there's a lot of people out there that

2053
01:12:26,630 --> 01:12:24,480
like to immediately say well that's all

2054
01:12:27,990 --> 01:12:26,640
you there's no bad guys out there

2055
01:12:30,550 --> 01:12:28,000
there's nothing negative to this

2056
01:12:32,149 --> 01:12:30,560
whatsoever and i i personally cannot

2057
01:12:34,470 --> 01:12:32,159
believe

2058
01:12:35,350 --> 01:12:34,480
that all agendas out there have my best

2059
01:12:37,750 --> 01:12:35,360
interest at heart

2060
01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:37,760
because if there's more than one that's

2061
01:12:42,229 --> 01:12:39,120
impossible

2062
01:12:45,510 --> 01:12:42,239
yeah so so i'm i'm i'm not in the

2063
01:12:50,149 --> 01:12:45,520
i'm not in the game of following agendas

2064
01:12:53,030 --> 01:12:50,159
um i like to make my own distinctions um

2065
01:12:54,790 --> 01:12:53,040
you know i i intend to to lou and i

2066
01:12:56,390 --> 01:12:54,800
intend to work together in the future

2067
01:12:58,229 --> 01:12:56,400
um we have other projects that we're

2068
01:13:00,470 --> 01:12:58,239
working on together

2069
01:13:02,630 --> 01:13:00,480
and he knows that the number one

2070
01:13:05,350 --> 01:13:02,640
important thing to me is authenticity

2071
01:13:07,270 --> 01:13:05,360
um i don't want any bs in this you know

2072
01:13:10,550 --> 01:13:07,280
i i do like to speculate

2073
01:13:11,270 --> 01:13:10,560
for fun but i'll be darned if i claim to

2074
01:13:14,550 --> 01:13:11,280
know

2075
01:13:15,990 --> 01:13:14,560
what what any of these things are so um

2076
01:13:18,390 --> 01:13:16,000
that authenticity piece is real

2077
01:13:20,229 --> 01:13:18,400
important to me awesome so get

2078
01:13:23,189 --> 01:13:20,239
a few more world associations if you

2079
01:13:27,510 --> 01:13:23,199
don't mind uh tom delong

2080
01:13:30,229 --> 01:13:27,520
genius fan of his music as well

2081
01:13:31,990 --> 01:13:30,239
you know it's it's funny um i like a lot

2082
01:13:34,149 --> 01:13:32,000
of his music but i had a roommate

2083
01:13:36,229 --> 01:13:34,159
when i was in guam for a few years who

2084
01:13:36,550 --> 01:13:36,239
incessantly played blink 182 when they

2085
01:13:40,310 --> 01:13:36,560
first

2086
01:13:42,390 --> 01:13:40,320
it was the only

2087
01:13:44,310 --> 01:13:42,400
i think heavy petting zoo was the only

2088
01:13:46,870 --> 01:13:44,320
um i think that was the record but it

2089
01:13:48,870 --> 01:13:46,880
was the only one that he played

2090
01:13:50,310 --> 01:13:48,880
and so it took me a long time to cut to

2091
01:13:51,270 --> 01:13:50,320
to get back to it but yeah i do like

2092
01:13:53,270 --> 01:13:51,280
tom's music

2093
01:13:54,870 --> 01:13:53,280
um and angels and airways it's funny

2094
01:13:56,550 --> 01:13:54,880
yeah yeah yeah he's

2095
01:13:58,470 --> 01:13:56,560
had some really good stuff that's funny

2096
01:14:01,030 --> 01:13:58,480
how these things come filled circle

2097
01:14:02,390 --> 01:14:01,040
um what about chris melon christopher

2098
01:14:05,590 --> 01:14:02,400
melon

2099
01:14:07,750 --> 01:14:05,600
uh gravitas is the word that i think uh

2100
01:14:10,790 --> 01:14:07,760
um stands behind chris mellon

2101
01:14:13,669 --> 01:14:10,800
um for people who don't know

2102
01:14:14,709 --> 01:14:13,679
who chris mellon is uh the positions

2103
01:14:17,669 --> 01:14:14,719
he's held

2104
01:14:19,030 --> 01:14:17,679
and and his family etc the idea that

2105
01:14:21,189 --> 01:14:19,040
he's taking

2106
01:14:22,470 --> 01:14:21,199
that he has taken such a serious

2107
01:14:24,870 --> 01:14:22,480
interest in this

2108
01:14:25,590 --> 01:14:24,880
especially given um the assumptions of

2109
01:14:28,709 --> 01:14:25,600
what

2110
01:14:29,910 --> 01:14:28,719
uh mr mellon's been briefed on um it

2111
01:14:33,510 --> 01:14:29,920
blows me away

2112
01:14:41,110 --> 01:14:37,189
chris and lou together on tv

2113
01:14:42,950 --> 01:14:41,120
is is almost an unstoppable force

2114
01:14:44,630 --> 01:14:42,960
chris mellon is one of those people that

2115
01:14:46,390 --> 01:14:44,640
i i get a little i get a little

2116
01:14:48,709 --> 01:14:46,400
tongue-tied when i'm

2117
01:14:50,149 --> 01:14:48,719
when uh the subject of him comes up um

2118
01:14:51,990 --> 01:14:50,159
actually to be honest with you a lot of

2119
01:14:53,430 --> 01:14:52,000
the team at ttsa gets me a little tongue

2120
01:14:57,590 --> 01:14:53,440
tied and i'm not a fanboy

2121
01:15:00,390 --> 01:14:57,600
it's i've looked into their pedigrees

2122
01:15:02,310 --> 01:15:00,400
and these people made a lot of phone

2123
01:15:03,669 --> 01:15:02,320
calls to each other before any of this

2124
01:15:06,070 --> 01:15:03,679
stuff happened and before

2125
01:15:08,709 --> 01:15:06,080
they they just they said let's risk our

2126
01:15:12,950 --> 01:15:08,719
reputations to take this forward

2127
01:15:14,870 --> 01:15:12,960
so um yeah i'm blown away

2128
01:15:16,950 --> 01:15:14,880
i think earlier when we talked about the

2129
01:15:19,430 --> 01:15:16,960
the weight behind the evidence that's

2130
01:15:21,270 --> 01:15:19,440
chris mellon's name jump so what he's

2131
01:15:22,709 --> 01:15:21,280
done in the levels like you see in

2132
01:15:24,310 --> 01:15:22,719
those assumptive briefings you talked

2133
01:15:25,669 --> 01:15:24,320
about the things this man has been privy

2134
01:15:31,590 --> 01:15:25,679
to and must know and

2135
01:15:36,790 --> 01:15:34,790
you know um as i

2136
01:15:38,470 --> 01:15:36,800
i don't have a i don't have any personal

2137
01:15:42,149 --> 01:15:38,480
views on bob

2138
01:15:45,030 --> 01:15:42,159
but i feel that bob um

2139
01:15:45,669 --> 01:15:45,040
bob always has seemed to have a little

2140
01:15:48,390 --> 01:15:45,679
bit of an

2141
01:15:49,910 --> 01:15:48,400
aura around him that makes me nervous

2142
01:15:52,310 --> 01:15:49,920
because of the way he was treated when

2143
01:15:54,390 --> 01:15:52,320
he first appeared um

2144
01:15:55,830 --> 01:15:54,400
now given that the time that that's

2145
01:15:57,590 --> 01:15:55,840
since when

2146
01:15:59,510 --> 01:15:57,600
bob first spoke up when we first learned

2147
01:16:01,430 --> 01:15:59,520
of him years ago to now

2148
01:16:03,030 --> 01:16:01,440
we've also learned that to an extent

2149
01:16:04,870 --> 01:16:03,040
that there that there's been a certain

2150
01:16:06,149 --> 01:16:04,880
acknowledgement of disinformation that

2151
01:16:07,750 --> 01:16:06,159
occurred

2152
01:16:09,910 --> 01:16:07,760
um there's been a certain

2153
01:16:11,669 --> 01:16:09,920
acknowledgement that

2154
01:16:13,590 --> 01:16:11,679
that these secrets were that certain

2155
01:16:15,350 --> 01:16:13,600
secrets were being kept

2156
01:16:17,750 --> 01:16:15,360
so we know that those secrets existed

2157
01:16:19,590 --> 01:16:17,760
now so we have to take the things that

2158
01:16:20,550 --> 01:16:19,600
were said about bob lazar with a grain

2159
01:16:22,950 --> 01:16:20,560
of salt

2160
01:16:25,030 --> 01:16:22,960
and we also have to give credence to the

2161
01:16:27,590 --> 01:16:25,040
fact that bob's back

2162
01:16:29,110 --> 01:16:27,600
and bob's got a lot of the same names

2163
01:16:30,630 --> 01:16:29,120
are standing right behind him

2164
01:16:32,229 --> 01:16:30,640
and and if they're not right behind him

2165
01:16:33,669 --> 01:16:32,239
and in the credits they're off to the

2166
01:16:34,070 --> 01:16:33,679
side giving the thumbs up and saying

2167
01:16:37,270 --> 01:16:34,080
yeah

2168
01:16:38,470 --> 01:16:37,280
do this thing um so so that says a lot

2169
01:16:40,229 --> 01:16:38,480
now whether

2170
01:16:41,990 --> 01:16:40,239
whether bob has the whole truth and

2171
01:16:43,590 --> 01:16:42,000
nothing but the truth again i don't i

2172
01:16:44,790 --> 01:16:43,600
haven't seen anybody who's holding on to

2173
01:16:46,950 --> 01:16:44,800
the whole truth yet

2174
01:16:48,310 --> 01:16:46,960
and i don't know it either but my

2175
01:16:49,990 --> 01:16:48,320
instincts tell me

2176
01:16:52,070 --> 01:16:50,000
we've got a lot of people holding a lot

2177
01:16:55,590 --> 01:16:52,080
of different pieces of it

2178
01:16:56,390 --> 01:16:55,600
okay um a phrase that has changed in

2179
01:16:58,470 --> 01:16:56,400
definition

2180
01:17:00,830 --> 01:16:58,480
a lot even in in recent weeks rather

2181
01:17:03,030 --> 01:17:00,840
than recent decades but

2182
01:17:04,630 --> 01:17:03,040
extraterrestrial

2183
01:17:06,110 --> 01:17:04,640
i think that we need to loosen up on a

2184
01:17:08,550 --> 01:17:06,120
lot of our definitions um

2185
01:17:10,070 --> 01:17:08,560
extraterrestrial extra more terrestrial

2186
01:17:12,470 --> 01:17:10,080
earth

2187
01:17:13,910 --> 01:17:12,480
um i think you know in even the word

2188
01:17:16,950 --> 01:17:13,920
alien etc

2189
01:17:18,310 --> 01:17:16,960
whatever this is i don't think it's your

2190
01:17:20,470 --> 01:17:18,320
neighbor

2191
01:17:22,070 --> 01:17:20,480
i don't think he's going down to the top

2192
01:17:23,750 --> 01:17:22,080
secret facility

2193
01:17:26,149 --> 01:17:23,760
in the morning and zipping off in his

2194
01:17:28,669 --> 01:17:26,159
spaceships and doing these things

2195
01:17:31,270 --> 01:17:28,679
so whatever whatever fits

2196
01:17:34,149 --> 01:17:31,280
extraterrestrial ultra-terrestrial

2197
01:17:35,910 --> 01:17:34,159
alien um it doesn't bother me but i

2198
01:17:36,709 --> 01:17:35,920
think we need to be ready to pivot once

2199
01:17:40,709 --> 01:17:36,719
we actually

2200
01:17:44,070 --> 01:17:40,719
find one that we can agree is one

2201
01:17:48,149 --> 01:17:44,080
hopefully alive again

2202
01:17:52,790 --> 01:17:51,270
fundamental um

2203
01:17:54,310 --> 01:17:52,800
one thing the only thing that all of us

2204
01:17:55,030 --> 01:17:54,320
can know is that our consciousness

2205
01:17:57,669 --> 01:17:55,040
exists

2206
01:17:59,910 --> 01:17:57,679
i'm i'm taking it on the only thing i

2207
01:18:03,030 --> 01:17:59,920
take on faith is that you're real too

2208
01:18:05,830 --> 01:18:03,040
because i can't i can't i can't prove it

2209
01:18:07,590 --> 01:18:05,840
um so our consciousness and how we

2210
01:18:09,350 --> 01:18:07,600
curate our own personal consciousness

2211
01:18:12,550 --> 01:18:09,360
what we allow into it

2212
01:18:13,350 --> 01:18:12,560
how we express it um and our interior

2213
01:18:15,110 --> 01:18:13,360
state

2214
01:18:17,669 --> 01:18:15,120
i think are the most important things in

2215
01:18:19,990 --> 01:18:17,679
our lives period

2216
01:18:21,510 --> 01:18:20,000
awesome and two more if you don't mind

2217
01:18:23,669 --> 01:18:21,520
so i'm gonna say

2218
01:18:25,669 --> 01:18:23,679
mars and i mean the planet not the

2219
01:18:27,750 --> 01:18:25,679
chocolate bar but is there anything to

2220
01:18:29,270 --> 01:18:27,760
that

2221
01:18:31,189 --> 01:18:29,280
i think it's definitely worthy of

2222
01:18:33,590 --> 01:18:31,199
further study but if we're talking about

2223
01:18:36,149 --> 01:18:33,600
in regards to this phenomenon there is

2224
01:18:37,910 --> 01:18:36,159
there's there are anomalies that need to

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01:18:39,830 --> 01:18:37,920
be looked at and again there are

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lines from those anomalies that we can

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see

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that can be drawn to some of the

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intelligence data

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gathered casually by the same remote

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01:18:52,630 --> 01:18:50,880
viewers that were being

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utilized by the government to do

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01:18:56,790 --> 01:18:54,080
real-life intelligence

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01:18:59,270 --> 01:18:56,800
work that people's lives depended on so

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it's an easy thing to throw water on

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01:19:03,110 --> 01:19:00,960
but this again the same folks that were

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finding the downed aircraft

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were finding a previous human history

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piece to mars i can't say whether it was

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real or not

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01:19:16,310 --> 01:19:14,640
but again we all have to consider that

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if if you're able to find a

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jet that's that's crashed and then

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you're saying there's something really

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01:19:23,910 --> 01:19:22,320
interesting on another

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body in the solar system perhaps it

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01:19:28,310 --> 01:19:26,480
deserves a bit better look

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01:19:29,510 --> 01:19:28,320
absolutely and i wanted to say earlier

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01:19:30,390 --> 01:19:29,520
remote viewing is a topic that

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fascinates me

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01:19:33,990 --> 01:19:32,480
and uh again i'd love to speak to again

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more in future but

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that's something i'd love to have

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01:19:38,390 --> 01:19:37,040
someone on who has had experiences

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01:19:40,550 --> 01:19:38,400
remote viewing like that in

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01:19:41,590 --> 01:19:40,560
in one of the early episodes and the

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01:19:43,350 --> 01:19:41,600
last one because

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01:19:44,709 --> 01:19:43,360
for me this is a really under discussed

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01:19:46,470 --> 01:19:44,719
topic and something i would

2260
01:19:48,550 --> 01:19:46,480
i would love to see come to prominence

2261
01:19:51,270 --> 01:19:48,560
and and times coming up but

2262
01:19:52,630 --> 01:19:51,280
the phoenix lights incident famously

2263
01:19:55,430 --> 01:19:52,640
from 1994

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01:19:56,070 --> 01:19:55,440
have you any thoughts on that you know

2265
01:19:59,189 --> 01:19:56,080
it's it's

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there a lot of people have very um very

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01:20:02,149 --> 01:20:00,320
strong

2268
01:20:03,990 --> 01:20:02,159
beliefs and emotions around the phoenix

2269
01:20:07,030 --> 01:20:04,000
lights so it's become

2270
01:20:08,709 --> 01:20:07,040
one of the one of the incidents that

2271
01:20:11,669 --> 01:20:08,719
unfortunately

2272
01:20:13,189 --> 01:20:11,679
um i haven't formed a very solid opinion

2273
01:20:17,350 --> 01:20:13,199
on i've talked to some people who i

2274
01:20:21,669 --> 01:20:20,470
very worthy of providing an opinion for

2275
01:20:23,910 --> 01:20:21,679
me in the interim

2276
01:20:25,669 --> 01:20:23,920
and they believed that it was something

2277
01:20:27,830 --> 01:20:25,679
uh unusual

2278
01:20:30,229 --> 01:20:27,840
that it wasn't military flares or or

2279
01:20:32,870 --> 01:20:30,239
simple aircraft in line or birds or

2280
01:20:33,990 --> 01:20:32,880
anything like that um but i don't have

2281
01:20:35,590 --> 01:20:34,000
that i don't have the

2282
01:20:38,149 --> 01:20:35,600
personal level of knowledge on the

2283
01:20:39,830 --> 01:20:38,159
incident that i could say one way or the

2284
01:20:41,910 --> 01:20:39,840
other

2285
01:20:43,990 --> 01:20:41,920
okay sean um i really appreciate your

2286
01:20:46,310 --> 01:20:44,000
time coming on the second ever episode

2287
01:20:47,910 --> 01:20:46,320
of that ufo podcast um

2288
01:20:49,669 --> 01:20:47,920
again if anyone wants to get in touch

2289
01:20:51,669 --> 01:20:49,679
with sean on twitter he is very

2290
01:20:53,030 --> 01:20:51,679
accessible don't annoy his dms he's got

2291
01:20:53,430 --> 01:20:53,040
enough of those to go through it sounds

2292
01:20:55,990 --> 01:20:53,440
like

2293
01:20:58,830 --> 01:20:56,000
it's at minty hyperspace um he's got his

2294
01:21:00,709 --> 01:20:58,840
own website i believe

2295
01:21:01,910 --> 01:21:00,719
www.mintyhyperspace.com

2296
01:21:03,990 --> 01:21:01,920
there's a lot of really interesting

2297
01:21:05,030 --> 01:21:04,000
articles videos on there really recent

2298
01:21:06,950 --> 01:21:05,040
interviews too

2299
01:21:08,310 --> 01:21:06,960
uh sean's an incredibly fascinating guy

2300
01:21:10,149 --> 01:21:08,320
with a lot of interest i'm sure

2301
01:21:12,390 --> 01:21:10,159
you'll find on there any last words you

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01:21:13,750 --> 01:21:12,400
want to say before you head off sean

2303
01:21:15,510 --> 01:21:13,760
i just want to thank you for having me

2304
01:21:17,510 --> 01:21:15,520
on your podcast andy i think that

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01:21:19,189 --> 01:21:17,520
um your intent to spread the word and to

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01:21:20,950 --> 01:21:19,199
help people learn more about this and

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01:21:22,709 --> 01:21:20,960
make their own decisions in an objective

2308
01:21:24,310 --> 01:21:22,719
fashion is really admirable

2309
01:21:26,149 --> 01:21:24,320
and uh it's been a great pleasure to be

2310
01:21:27,669 --> 01:21:26,159
on your podcast thank you

2311
01:21:30,790 --> 01:21:27,679
thank you sean trust me the pleasure was

2312
01:21:35,350 --> 01:21:30,800
all mine okay thanks sean

2313
01:21:39,189 --> 01:21:37,510
that is all for this week's show thank

2314
01:21:41,030 --> 01:21:39,199
you very much for listening

2315
01:21:43,189 --> 01:21:41,040
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01:21:45,910 --> 01:21:43,199
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01:21:47,830 --> 01:21:45,920
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01:21:49,270 --> 01:21:47,840
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01:21:51,350 --> 01:21:49,280
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01:21:53,350 --> 01:21:51,360
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2321
01:21:55,990 --> 01:21:53,360
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01:21:58,390 --> 01:21:56,000
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01:22:05,510 --> 01:22:02,320
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01:22:07,590 --> 01:22:05,520
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2327
01:22:10,580 --> 01:22:07,600
and again folks as always keep looking

2328
01:22:36,830 --> 01:22:10,590
up you never know what you might see

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01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:40,890
is

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01:23:18,550 --> 01:22:53,670
[Music]

2331
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:21,810
that doesn't

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01:24:16,310 --> 01:23:41,970
[Music]

2333
01:24:18,750 --> 01:24:16,320
what's that

2334
01:24:28,830 --> 01:24:18,760
it wasn't a tic tac and not quite a

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01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:36,740
saucer